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UniversalMonk ban evasion (self.support)

submitted 5 days ago by auk to c/support@lemm.ee

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UniversalMonk has been evading the a ban on him by posting from new accounts on !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net. That's ban evasion, which on most instances leads to an account-level ban, as far as I know. The relevant account is UniversalMonk@lemm.ee.

I'm not sure how to notify admins on lemm.ee, so I'm posting here. If ban evasion justifies an account ban on lemm.ee, then it's time. If there's a better place to send this note, let me know, and I'll do that instead.

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[–] auk -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sending out ban notifications to dozens of users about bans in a community they've never heard of doesn't seem like good bot design.

I am unsurprised that a UniversalMonk fan would think that would be a totally reasonable thing to do, though, and at the same time that banning someone who managed to get an account ban from the least ban-happy instance there is when they make a new account and start doing the same stuff is somehow unreasonable.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Dude, if your bot is issuing bans, it absolutely, 100% needs to be notifying people it bans.

Fuck universal, that's not the issue. A bot that's automatically banning people is bullshit to begin with, if that's what it does and I'm not entirely sure that's the case but if it's banning, and doesn't include a notification function, that's beyond bad.

[–] poVoq 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

There is no such thing as ban notifications on Lemmy, but the bot's bans are public in the mod log like any other community moderator bans. This seems like a reasonable design as notification spam by a bot is significantly worse than not knowing about being banned from a community you are not using anyways (and if you have been using it, then the ban is easily noticeable and doesn't need a notification either).

[–] UniversalMonk 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Just curious, and not to beat a dead horse, but if Lemmy can give us notifications that comments are removed, why can't it do a simple ban notification as well?

Because I always get notified when a post or comment has been removed.

Seems simple enough make the removal notification that led to banning something as simple as "Your comment has been removed for xxxx reason. And now you are banned from the community due to reasons xxxxx."

I realize that my particular situation here has been resolved and we can move on, but I'm just curious if the lack of banning notifications is a software issue or if it's a philosophical issue for Lemmy and the fediverse.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

yeah, lemmy doesn't have ban notifications (afaik anyway).

But there's a bot out there banning people from the outside. If that's going to be a part of lemmy, then it damn well needs a higher standard

[–] UniversalMonk -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Fuck universal, that’s not the issue.

Hey now! lol

But yeah, to your point, I agree that any bots that ban, also need to notify. Especially since it's a bot, and it's automated, so it's not like it would be much harder to do than the auto-banning. And I don't routinely check modlogs before I post to a community.

This particular bot--if I understand correctly--auto bans based on someone's downvotes, not necessarily on content. Even if those downvotes happened on another instance. Which to me, seems even worse, because some people can be right, even tho downvoted.

The issue started because I had no idea I was banned, and I accidentally posted to the community.

Apparently, it banned my same username from another instance that I was on. My time on that instance was pre-election, so in the weeks leading to it, Lemmy was quite um, passionate about downvoting anyone who wasn't openly supporting Harris.

But I haven't been controversial or posted any controversial content from this slrpnk instance. And I do not have the same downvote ratio on this instance because I stay away from politics here--except for the post to his community. Which was about Bernie Sanders--who I adore.

But the username thing may be an issue in the future too, because some people's usernames are generic enough that that as we grow bigger, duplicates may be used unintentionally on different instances.

So banning based on downvotes of a user name on different instances, without reading content, seems problematic to me.

I have no problem with him running it in his community tho. His community, his rules, but the noise started because I had no idea what was going on until he posted this here.

But I definitely got the point, and won't be posting to his community in the future.

I hope that there won't be many communities doing the same sort of bot modding though.