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I will preface this by saying I understand that I am more radical, revolutionary, and extreme of a leftist than most. Despite that, I still ask that you actually engage with this as I'm asking in good faith.

When is enough enough? We have elected a fascist into the highest office and handed the keys to him and his friends. Is now not the time to actually get organized, involved, and armed? In my opinion, the time for peaceful, democratic means of avoiding fascism was before the election. But we have failed to do so, and as such there will soon be a tyrant in power. Are we going to wait until troops are rolling down the street to stage any form of resistance, because by then it's far too late. Now I want to be clear that I am not advocating for random acts of violence or an insurrection like January 6th. But is this not a point of radicalization? Is this not where we start organizing within our communities and getting involved in mutual aid and resistance? How much more do we need before people are actually ready to stand, fight, and maybe even die to avoid continuing down the path that we are on? Fascism is not on the horizon, it is here. Are we really to do nothing about it as a society except lay down and accept our fate? Because that doesn't jive with me. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

ETA: To the people responding, I will admit that I was heated and frustrated when writing this post. Having had time to cool off, reflect, and get some differing viewpoints my stance has changed to focus more on what needs to happen first and what's practical. You may have seen that in my responses. That being said, I don't disagree with what I said here, and I'm still frustrated we're at this point at all. I've linked a comment though that elaborates upon what I actually want to see done though, which is a lot more reasonable and is still inline with this post.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13305217

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[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Couple of things:

  1. Revolution sounds good until it actually happens, and then it sucks. It unleashes all the crazies and the outcome is uncertain. And it tanks the economy.
  2. If you look at exit polls, people told you why they voted for Trump. Rightly or wrongly, they don't believe he is a fascist, or at least that the US system won't allow him to indulge his fascist tendencies. Again, I don't know if they are correct, but that's what most people believe.
  3. The majority believe that the wokism and identity politics of the left is a greater threat to democracy than Trump.

So, the answer to your question is that you won't find much support IRL because most people don't actually think they are supporting fascism. Time will tell if Trump is an actual fascist or just a blowhard. I wish we didn't have to wonder, but there you have it.

[–] erev@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. I understand that. I'm not advocating for an immediate revolution but organizing and building mutual aid networks to protect those that are gonna be hit hardest. I also personally don't care about the economy; i think caring about the economy more than people is how we got here.

  2. I understand. It's really fucked up but that's why we need to organize first. Whether or not a revolution happens, it's never bad to organize.

  3. The majority also elected a fascist; see point 2.

So, the answer to your question is that you won't find much support IRL because most people don't actually think they are supporting fascism.

Half the country doesn't think hes a fascist, but the other half does. Especially around the area that I am, I'm not worried about garnering support.

Time will tell if Trump is an actual fascist or just a blowhard.

Those who lie in bed with fascists are fascists imo.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

OK, so what does this mutual aid look like? Are you talking about organizing armed resistance for when the Gestapo come for you? Or more like food-sharing for when the revolution comes and destroys the economy you don't care about? I don't have a sense of what you are getting at.

[–] erev@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I answered a lot more in depth in the comment I'm linking below. I will say i was very frustrated and emotional when writing this post, and having had time to cool off, think about it, and discuss it with some other people my stance has softened (which you might've seen in my responses, the one linked included). But I don't disagree with what I said, just changed my focus onto what needs to happen first.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13305217