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Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 75 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Yes. When you abandon the left, they don't vote for you. This is what Clinton did too

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

They have clearly internalized the pervasive trope that leftists will vote for them, because they have no other choice, so the only thing that matters to convince is the right. Looks like they calculated wrong.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Obama got people excited about healthcare reform. Biden got people excited about student debt relief. Clinton tried to get people excited about a female president and Harris centered her campaign around running against Trump.

Social programs get people excited.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Biden got people excited about student debt relief.

This is not why Biden got elected. Trump so badly mishandled Covid that everyone left of center demanded change.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 days ago

everyone left of center demanded change.

I think you mean "everyone left of FASCISM" because liberals are center-right at best. Center left is Social Democracy (Bernie Sanders and AOC)

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The failure to realize Covid is the only reason Biden won cost the Democrats. In the swing states 2024 Trump beats 2020 Biden by vote count.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

agreed. Biden won because people voted against Trump. Every other time Biden ran, and there were many, he couldnt even win his home state. He was and is a joke of a politician, and his legacy is a Trump win becaus he was so unpopular.

"Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to fuck everything up" --Barrack Obama.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

I don't think you can point to one specific thing that got Biden elected. Covid mismanagement was a huge part of it, but student debt relief and other progressive proposals that Bernie pushed the campaign into played a big part as well. Even with Covid, I think there's a good chance that Biden would have lost if he'd run the same kind of centrist campaign that Harris and Clinton ran.

[–] masinko@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Student debt was not a campaign platform he ran on, it was something he did during his presidency.

He did run on Green New Deal and the original proposal that later became the $2 trillion Infrastructure investment/bill/plan.

But to your point, yes he ran on platforms that people got excited. Both of those platforms were new economic opportunities for people in a time when people when much of the labor class was jobless from COVID.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 5 days ago
[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The funny thing is that Harris had a lot of progressive policies. She didn't tout them for some reason. Which I suspect was to get GOPers on board. Have a look here and wonder why she didn't talk more about them: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/30/kamala-harris-2024-campaign-promises-here-are-her/

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Because most of them were worth less than the bits than they were stored on. She never would have gotten them through congress. She just put them there. 🤷 You'll note the things she could have done unilaterally like end shipments to israel and commit to keeping kahn she flat out refused to do/support.