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i understand you are emotionally invested in this. but me being critical of the fact that every time she was asked why your tax dollars were going to a nation performing a HOLOCAUST she opened by saying “Israel has a right to defend itself” does not make me an accelerationist. it makes me a decent fucking person.
look through all 2000+ of my comments and NOWHERE will you find me advocating accelerationism or a democratic loss. you are forcing an entirely made up narrative and position onto me that i do not accept. get it through your head that decent people might want to call it out when murder is supported without question. and lastly be fucking nice.
And now you (and us in the rest of the world) get democracy-dismantling Trump, who will continue to support Israel even more. That’s not even considering trans people, other demographics’ rights, or the climate. Good job being so virtuous in non-voting!
Said as someone not emotionally invested in her campaign.
when did i ever say something about non-voting? i did not. i never did. i will never. again look through my 2000+ commments, you will find dozens if not hundreds arguing against abstention and voter apathy.
you are literally making shit up to be angry with me, just like the other account. it’s super weird and i hope your recognize how wack that is lol.
like im not even upset? just concerned? you made up an entire character that doesn’t represent my opinion or words at all and are now engaging in an internet rant against your own imagination. take a deep breath homie. you deserve rest and internal peace—and goodness knows you probably won’t find that in politics so i hope you can find pause for a moment ❤️
Liberals can only attack leftists by lying about their positions, same as conservatives. Best to ignore them 🌸
I highly recommend you swap out subjective moral reasoning for utility. You've already convinced yourself that it is morally right that we all go to the death camps. But it's not useful. There's a chance we do something that's useful between now and the death camps, but not if we care about being decent people more than we care about people.
As someone who disagreed with the poster originally, you're the one not thinking in terms of utility. We can accept help from neoliberals, but they are the people who brought us here. We needed left wing populism, but the Dems wouldn't give it to us. They played by the book that got us fascism in the first place. The rich are responsible, and their enablers need to stfu. It's time for bold action, not denial.
If any neoliberal can't get on board that neoliberalism is dead, then obviously they are no use to us. But they are an easier pool of people to convince than the fascists who want to kill us. And if the Democratic Party still exists in future elections and there somehow are future elections, both seem unlikely, it's still worth voting for them because it gives us time to get a populist campaign off the ground assuming there isn't already one that's ready to go. edit: typo
You misunderstand current Trump voters. They were who we needed to sway. The neolibs are a tiny block compared to the disengaged poor people Trump reached. Neolibs must be pushed aside. They weren't who we target for socialism. We must target the poor who lost faith in the system and leave the system behind. They'll be more open than neolibs once they feel things are worse under Trump.
I'm talking about Democrat voters or low information Republican voters who somehow aren't in a right-wing information silo. Trump voters, who have been watching Fox News and similar programs, have been brained washed for decades. They need mandated cult deprogramming at this point with help from specialists.
What we need to overcome is so widespread and ubiquitous that even people who aren't particularly politically engaged have the idea in their head. Bring up socialism to people, and they reflexively say 'socialism doesn't work'. Maybe they give a passing reference to the Soviet Union. If a person believes their society's institutions are infallible and that they are at the end of history it's hard for them to understand we need systemic change and wealth redistribution.
Neoliberalism needs to be fully internalized as a scam so people can look for other answers to their problems like socialism. The only changes that neoliberals are able to accept are changing the people who are in charge of institutions. It's why fascists are able to appeal to them where socialists and even progressives struggle. The fascists only have to make the leap from changing the people in our institutions to changing the people in our society, primarily by getting rid of them. edit: typos
please take a deep breath homie. none of the things you are saying about me are true and it’s deeply misgiving how you are forcing some kind of made up characterization on me with no evidence. i’m gonna disengage now out of genuine concern i hope you can find some rest. it’s fucked out there ❤️
I can read what you wrote.
Being a decent person is not the goal. Helping people is the goal.
agree, take care.