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Hey Gaza / Free Palestine guys,

I'm pissed about the Kamala loss but that's not important right now. I need to know what media you were using.

Where did Free Palestine/ Gaza memes and discussions start?

I'm worried that the discussion is a right wing disinformation campaign designed to make us tear each other apart. I cannot find any legitimate politician (even far left ones like Bernie Sanders, AOC, etc. etc) that would have pushed the message of 'Joe Biden / Kamala is just as bad as Trump on the issue of Gaza'.

The only ones who would push that message are right wing trolls who try to separate us. So now I want to track down and confirm my suspicions. Who meme'd this? Where did you hear it? Was it Twitter? TikTok? Reddit? Facebook? Instagram?

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[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Explains why I see you so often on lemmy.ca !

Btw, here's an example of someone who endorsed orange voldemort because of Gaza: Democratic Hamtramck Mayor Amer Ghalib. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/14/hamtramck-donald-trump-arab-american-muslim

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Majority of Arabs were either voting for Trump, 3rd party, or not voting as a "fuck you" to the Democrats. I know some actually liked Trump but keep in mind that the Arabs were a big reason Biden won Michigan in 2020. A lot of Arabs hate Trump.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is the one thing I wasn't sure Harris was doing right. And based on what's coming out now with the numbers on margin of the swing states and how many Arab voters switched, it seems like this might have been the sole issue that cost Harris the White House.

For my part, I thought she should have promised to use executive action to declare a national referendum on the issue once she was elected President, and tell the Jewish bloc that she'd always continue supporting Israel's right to defending itself while telling the Arab voters that she'd use the referendum results to justify putting an end to the war in Gaza by any means necessary and justified and approved in the referendum itself.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Harris lost all the swing states last I checked. It wasn't the sole issue that cost her the White House but it was definitely the issue that cost her Michigan, and maybe Pennsylvania.

Democrats switched from Biden to Harris last minute because they realized Biden wasn't doing so well on the popularity front. This should have been a major clue to say that Harris should have steered in her own direction. But she didn't and it cost her the election.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Well, based on https://www.arabnews.com/node/2033691/world I can see an argument for them being undercounted in, and thus a tipping point for Wisconsin as well. And if all three are in play then that's the EC.

But yes - if there was any room on any other issue to improve on, those improvements might have helped in getting the lowest Arab/Muslim populated swing states into play and gotten to a surer EC win.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

Well that was an interesting read, thank yoy for sharing. Maybe this opinion is more widespread than I thought.