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The reality is even worse. They're going to "learn" all the wrong lessons. They will shift further to the right, like they always do.
While I wouldn't wish for it to happen, part of me wonders if Trump does start executing top level Dems if that might cause them to wake the fuck up and start actually trying to win these things by listening to what people actually want. Like, if the choice is "win or die", maybe they'll start playing for keeps. Personally I wouldn't shed a tear for people like pelosi, Schumer, the Clintons, etc... but if they come for Bernie or the squad I'm joining the resistance
And this is one of the reasons why people shifted Republican in this last election.
If the Democratic party won't represent Democratic ideals, then out of either anger or apathy, their base will vote for the party that can do it better, Republicans, or not vote at all.
I agree with a lot of people on Lemmy that the average American is an idiot, and our shortening attention spans coupled with our changing media diets isn't helping with that, but I see these as features not bugs.
Americans in general like their shiny toys, and one of the best ways to capture their attention is by politicians giving concessions and offering things that will benefit their lives. Think carrots on sticks more than sticks themselves.
I will never stop hanging most of the blame on the Democratic party for leading us to today conclusion after Tuesday.
People didn't shift Republican in this election. Trump got about the same number of votes as he did against Biden.
Wait, you think the republicans represent democratic ideals better…?
They pretend better
At this point you might as well start a third party.
This way Gore can lose all over again!
Some kind of Democratic Socialist Party of America maybe.
Yep, every time Dems can't get enough votes from the left to win, because they aren't "left/pure enough" for them, what they learn is to shift to the right to find votes.
Whereas since voters on the right will always vote for the one with the R by their name even if they don't think the candidate is "right enough", their party learns that it doesn't have to move to the left to find enough votes and stays to the right or moves even further to the right.
And can you blame them? Who do you think is more efficient catering to, the right-wing idiot who went to vote for a rapist felon or the self-proclaimed leftist that didn’t vote to stop fascism because they didn’t like the alternative enough?
These last elections were already “right vs far right”, following ones are 100% going to be even worse. When the right wins, shifting left makes no logical sense.
No of course I can't blame them because it's the only thing that makes sense to do. That's what I saying. I blame the people who won't vote for Dems if they don't perfectly align with everything they want or don't pass their purity test.
Magats took over the Republican party because they consistently voted for whichever R won the primary, even if it wasn't the one they wanted to win the primary. R's have always done this, but Magats especially have been turning out to do this since 2008 when gasp! the Black guy won (they started out as the Tea party). On top of that they did a lot of activism. Parading around with their guns was the part they liked best about that. They took a name for their movement; the TEA (taxed enough already) party was a stupid name and they looked like idiots with their teabags, but it worked for them and they eventually got their demagogue.
The Democratic party can be moved to the left with this same strategy. Vote for the more left-leaning or whoever you like best in the primary, then vote for whoever has the D by their name in the general. When they learn that they can actually count on getting enough votes from their base, they'll stop futilely chasing votes from the right. At the same time you have to do activism and keep the movement growing, which makes sure they clearly know what you want and creates pressure to influence their policies. You don't give up after one election cycle because it takes time and work..
Ceding your power by not voting doesn't make politicians care about you--it's not like boycotting a business that wants to sell you something. Politicians want to please those who vote for them, not those who don't. Learn from the magats. First you put the politicians closer to your views into power, then keep pressuring them to enact the policies you want. Not sit around and wait for them to enact the agenda you want first and after that you'll vote for them. Think about how training a dog works.
However, I've been doing this forever- and the Dems just keep moving further right.
...you don't win over conservatives by offering light-conservatism, but the democratic party have run the same playbook since 1992...
The only way to win over conservatives is a full-throated embrace of fascism. Turns them out like crazy.
...the funny counterpart is that when liberals run a full-throated embrace of populism, their greatest threat isn't the surge of new progressive supporters, but establishment democrats desperately afraid of losing conservatives who'd never support them anyway...
Mindless sheep sycophant party that abuses the system to stay relivent VS super-diverse big tent party than "takes the high road" and it is still almost 50/50....tells you where the people actually stand and how badly the broken system empowers the shitty minority. Oh, before "huurrrrddduuuurrrrr but popular vote dduuurrrrrrr"...that is how many people of each ideology VOTED not how many there are. Glad I could clarify the obvious for you smooth brain twits that think you have a point.
The popular vote that trump won in addition to the electoral college? That popular vote? Democrats (the party apparatus) need to come to term with themselves and look in the mirror for answers as to why there’s a second trump term on the horizon.
Read, comprehend, then speak.