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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fair enough. Thank you for the clarification.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course! Thank you for your question and your position as well

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, my position is not exactly in agreement. While I was curious, I think there are far more reasons to apply tariffs to certain products than simply wanting another cold war.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well the US has no stimulate-able domestic industry so isolating China is the only realistic option. And this has been clear for at least a decade. There is no domestic industry making these things at any usable scale.

Medium-scale solar panel installations are backed up over a year btw.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

US manufacturing currently sat at 26 GW annually, with a 71% increase in the first quarter of the year. Demand being high is also unsurprising.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Over a year delay is clearly demonstrable undercapacity

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, most certainly. Spikes in demand can do that. If 71% growth remains consistent, it'll be resolved in short order. Though it'll probably dip as the overall manufacturing capacity increases, since its just a percentage of the total.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Makes sense, Biden's big investment was just a few years ago. A single year out for medium-sized facilities is very manageable though. Hopefully demand continues to increase alongside production, and it remains a years wait for several years. That would be a sign that demand is continuing to increase.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Biden's "big investment" went to finance and high tech wages, not production capacity.

And no it's not particularly manageable the industry will need a bailout or fail shortly. They were already bailed out once w/ Silicon Valley Bank, if you recall. They were all rolled up in that. It is needed again because they are not doing well.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, actually it went heavily to infrastructure to facilitate future technology, things like electric vehicle charging stations and energy grid, along with more mundane stuff like bridge maintenance and replacement. This stimulates demand, which supply naturally follows in the quest for profits-above-all-else.

Not sure how an industry seeing such demand is projected to fail shortly.

SVB wasn't bailed out, it was actually seized. It failed after a bank run following a lot of risky investments into new tech startups, which is a naturally high risk market. It was not due to some sort of failure in the broader solar industry.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, actually it went heavily to infrastructure to facilitate future technology

No it went to stock buybacks and capitalization for startups.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You want to provide any evidence for that assertion?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My knowledge is insider, but you can go look into it yourself if you'd like.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Very convenient. You duck requests for evidence very fluidly, like a true propagandist. I imagine your parents must be very proud of your abilities at manipulation.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are free to look into solar companies' finances and talk to those in the industry. Go ahead and do so and come back to tell me what you've learned.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Or, y'know, you could just support your claims instead of tossing out a right wing nutjob-style "do your own research". Fortunately I've been around enough conspiracy theories in my life that they've become pretty easy to see through.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would familiarizing yourself with the finances of solar companies be a conspiracy theory, exactly?

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The signs of conspiracy theory are "trust me bro, totally got insider knowledge here" and "go do your own research".

These are both convenient evasions performed when someone is lying.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"trust me bro"

No it is, "go look into a specific thing". No need to trust me. Just take hold of your own agency and stop depending on others to spoon feed you.

Tell me how solar installations are doing. What has happened to the backlog re: panels and connection capacity?

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey, you said you had insider knowledge you are seemingly reluctant to share. That's a "trust me bro" when only a fool would trust an anonymous person on the internet.

Yes, "go look into specific thing" is a re-wording of "go do your own research". The goal is "find and believe the same bullshit that manipulates me".

Like I said, demand has increased. Supply is following it. This is the intended function of capitalism, for better or for worse. Supply follows demand, because, sadly, personal profit is a powerful psychological motivator.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey, you said you had insider knowledge you are seemingly reluctant to share.

Yeah I'm not going to share any further info that is even remotely self-identifying. Apparently you think that is suspicious.

That’s a “trust me bro”

It's a "I know things I can't share". You are free to distrust. You can do the other thing I suggested, which is to look at the finances of solar companies.

Yes, “go look into specific thing” is a re-wording of “go do your own research”.

Right you still expect others to fetch things for you and can't handle it not happening. It seems you aren't learning this lesson. I am being consistent, you see.

This will be my last reply until you show evidence of trying to learn anything about this.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

You could easily direct towards this evidence of specific solar companies, that would not be personally identifying in the slightest. You cannot because you are fabricating.

Failing to support your arguments is a fundamental failing of intellectual honesty, which is fully in-line with the goals of a propagandist. You are ceasing the conversation because I easily backed you into a corner you cannot escape from. Buh-bye.