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Still waiting for one of these hit pieces to actually compare steins policies, activist record, financial portfolio to Harris. This one seems to be she didn't show up to our climate protest, but neither did Harris, and that she has a retirement account with fossil fuel shares in it like Harris and nearly every other American with a retirement account.
If the dems want to win over green party supporters and win the election they need to give them some reason to support her. Or they could just keep scolding there supporters , calling them naive and dumb while calling there candidate unserious , cause that worked out so well with Trump supporters in 2016.
So, you're saying you're as stupid as Trump supporters?
That may sound harsh, but those are your own words.
That's not what I said, I said democrats are treating stein supporters like they did Trump supporters in 2016. Thanks for showcasing that by just calling them dumb without putting forward anything positive about the Harris campaign.
I also didn't say I voted for stein, if I was in a state that mattered I'd hold my nose and vote for Harris because I know Trump will be far worse. I want Harris to win I'm just mad that she's making the same mistakes Hillary made in 2016 and is making this race way closer then it needs to be.
Anyone who has taken even the most superficial look at Trump's record and isn't voting for any opposition must be an idiot.
I have the advantage of living in New York, where we got to watch him embarrass himself for decades before taking the national stage.
He was fined for employing illegal immigrants from Poland when he was building Trump Tower.
He was fined for discriminatory actions in his Queens' rentals.
He refused to pay off dozens of small companies in Atlantic City, driving many of them into bankruptcy.
Any one of those should be enough to disqualify him, but somehow it's just not enough.
What imaginary part of the Harris/Walz campaign does that come from?
Also, they're taking trump very serious. They say "Listen to him and take him serious"
I think you may have misunderstood, I'm talking about there campaign for green supporters, not Trump supporters. They thankfully have learned a bit since 2016 and aren't just dismissing potential Trump supporters and have made overtures to them like copying his immigration stance. They are dismissing green supporters and have offered them very little while constantly bashing stein and any one who supports her as unserious and naive.
I don't know anything about their politics. Mainly because they don't do any and just show up every four years to spoil the result.
Vote for them, I won't blame you. I got to wonder about your intentions though, and I think that's fair game.
I'm a supporter of the green parties in Europe, and they advise against her, on top of compromising pictures with her and dictators.
I didn't vote for them, I voted for another third party candidate whose less cozy with putin since I live in California and due to our fucked up electoral system my vote for president doesn't matter. If I was voting in a state that mattered I'd vote for Harris for harm reduction. I'm just tired of all the people on here blaming stein for Harris lack of support among progressives and Arabs instead of Harris for running a campaign that alienated them.
Their politics are the same as all the other green parties, actually address the climate crisis, defund the military and end forever wars, and implement some basic social democracy like single payer Healthcare. They can't do any of this because they can't get into power due to the electoral system, but that's not there fault.
What are they supposed to do in between elections? The only time people care about politics and the only time it matters is during elections. Trying to build the party in off years is mostly a waste of time since people will just ignore you or forget about you by the time the election comes around.
I hope it wasn't the socialist party. Their program reminds me of the original program of the NSDAP so much.
Nah, I'm not a tankie, I wrote in west.
If you're the Presidential candidate for the Environmental Party I feel like it's the epitome of practicing what you preach. She and her husband having investments in oil is significant when your entire political position is antithetical to big oil. Accepting donations from Republican donor companies like Home Depot, and having multiple different politicians specifically say the Green Party is meant to siphon votes from the Democratic party.
If the Green party cared, it would be appealing to both moderates in their party. They do not. If the Green party cared, they would do more in between election years and fight for political positions beyond council members and mayors (4 total btw).
And if the Green Party cared, they would post a candidate who actually believed in what the party stood for by following the convictions of the Green Party and not having investments in big oil. And maybe one who had support in Congress to actually pass policy.
Edit: Their candidates are all you need to know, too. Kyrsten Simena was a Green Party member, who also was happy taking donations and making investments in oil companies. It's a pattern.
On some level it's reasonable to say that you own shares in a mutual fund, not shares in the individual companies.
But the other side of that is that you can fairly easily see what the mutual fund is doing, and copy it, without the problematic companies. Yes, it will be less profitable, but you can do it, and you can do it without too much difficulty when you're talking about millions of dollars in investments. So it seems, I dunno, weak to say that you can't divest your own personal investments from these things. Plus, I'm pretty sure that there are at least a handful of mutual funds that entirely avoid those kind of companies in order to attract ethical investors.
The Democrats have actually passed major new policies, with Harris casting the tiebreaking vote for the Inflation Reduction Act:
It's not yet enough, but they've made over a hundred policy changes in addition
By contrast, the Trump administration went out of their way to roll back as many environmental protections as possible.
Given that choice, it's worth looking at how Stein can operate as a spoiler:
Scenario 1:
Harris: 1001 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 0 votes
Harris wins
Scenario 2:
Harris: 1000 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 1 vote
Tied vote, which goes to the courts and Congress, putting Trump in power
Scenario 3:
Harris: 999 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 2 votes
Trump wins outright
This spoiler effect makes it really imperative to actively vote for Harris if you want to see any kind of climate action going forward. Republicans know this, which is why they're the ones funding the Green Party.
It's bad enough that the European green parties have asked her to step down.