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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I guess Harris/ Waltz couldn't find the MI exit.

Bill Clinton did find the time to get to MI though. And he.. oh no he..

Bill Clinton Justifies The Mass Killings Of Palestinians In Racist Michigan Speech

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh fuck. Dammit, Bill. Just make it clear that the party has completely abandoned them.

Alienate voters you need. Blame them for any loss you earn in so doing. Fucking hell, why are we doing this again?

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Muslim populations in the swing states that Biden won in 2020 is larger than the margin of votes he received. They've learned absolutely nothing from 2016.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They learned that they can browbeat the left into silence and get everything they want if they just lose.

He's trying to make the pro-Netanyahu case to them

Israeli forces have to kill tens of thousands of Palestinians because they are allegedly human shields for Hamas.

I.e. Hamas is evil and it's their fault that Israeli bullets ended up inside of innocent Gazians. There is an element of truth to this, but as the article points out,

It should be noted that the Israeli military has recently been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in their Gaza operations.

The only good thing about this is that it makes Harris look more moderate by comparison.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hold up... See, I recognize your username. So suddenly, you want the Democrats to win, despite your claims that anyone that supports them is pro-genocide?

Shouldn't you welcome this "mask off" moment from the Democrats?

Why the change of heart? Or is it just that you're allergic to acting in good faith?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So suddenly, you want the Democrats to win, despite your claims that anyone that supports them is pro-genocide?

I want them to win. It's why I voted for Harris. I also want Democrats to stop supporting genocide. I don't claim that anyone who supports Democrats is pro-genocide. I claim that anyone who takes shrieking offense at people who don't like genocide supports genocide. And of course, anyone who is actively selling Netanyahu weapons is literally acting in support of genocide.

Shouldn’t you welcome this “mask off” moment from the Democrats?

I'm sure you do since Clinton has sided with Netahyahu. But no. I want Democrats to stop supporting genocide. Are you that incapable of conceiving of the concept that we shouldn't be supporting Netanyahu and his genocide?

Or is it just that you’re allergic to acting in good faith?

You started this comment by lying about my position. Not being mistaken, not exaggerating, just outright lying.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, it's Harris on the ballot, not (Bill) Clinton.

And, to her credit, Harris said this, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/harris-appears-to-agree-with-protester-accusing-israel-of-genocide-what-he-s-talking-about-it-s-real/ar-AA1szCVt

This gives me optimism that post-election, Harris will allow her views to evolve in the right direction here.

Remember when Obama was against same-sex marriage? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-still-opposes-same-sex-marriage/ But he was open to having his mind changed, and eventually he did, https://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/politics/obama-same-sex-marriage/index.html

This is what we need to aim for with Harris

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, it’s Harris on the ballot, not (Bill) Clinton.

I voted for Harris.

Jesus. None of you read. Not one. Just skip immediately to pasting your lecture.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey, I wasn't disputing that you voted for Harris - my "lecture" was to convince others in your situation that there's hope that Democrats will stop "supporting genocide" as you put it, after Harris wins.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On second read, I see that I was wrong to jump to conclusions. Apologies.

Hey, no worries. Glad we got that clarified though - I was sweating buckets.