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[–] webadict@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nepotism doesn't factor in in any explanation I have given because they would only factor in getting around equal access to materials, labor, production, or markets, or possibly skirting regulations. Your argument is "No, those instances of horrible working conditions were nepotism, even though there was nothing illegal or unfair about it."

Unsafe working conditions are merely a cost-analysis in capitalism. If you make more than the costs of a decision, what is stopping capitalism from implementing those unsafe conditions if they are not illegal? Nothing. Capital-holders hold all the power and make the decisions, the workers do not, and that is the problem.

Who would work for Jeff's sugar factory if Jeff's sugar factory keeps blowing up and jim sugar factor understands the process and puts it nessisary safe gaurds

If Jeff somehow makes more money than Jim, why would Jeff ever stop? What makes you think Jim wouldn't simply start doing what Jeff does? Ideally, exploding factories would be more expensive, but that isn't always the case, so I ask again, what does capitalism do to disincentivize chasing profits at the expense of the workers or consumers or safety or the environment or the planet?

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It is always the case when your entire sugar mill explodes that you lose insurmountable amounts of money.

Come back to me when you touch base with reality.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Exploding sugar mills are an example and literally not the crux of my argument. The same could be said about giving your workers coal lung or mesothelioma, but it's easier to envision. You refuse to acknowledge that worker safety is not a concern unless it affects the amount of capital generated, and NONE of it is nepotism. Can you rebut that, or are you essentially ragequitting because you were wrong?

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You refuse to acknowledge i never brought up worker safety in the first place.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You did.

I tend to disagree with this, not that it's entirely incorrect, but I think quality can't be disregarded; can the product be made safely is another factor

Meritocracy was shown to be related to the ability to generate capital because capital is economic power and allows you to concentrate more power. Quality didn't factor in because consumers buy bad products. Safety didn't factor in because consumers buy unsafe products. The best childcare workers aren't paid more than an average software developer because it's not meritocratic for workers.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

can the product be made safely is another factor

This is not a direct line to worker saftey or some sort of moral concern.

The exact following line is:

These aren’t smoke screens that some capitalist business man made up to trick you into thinking they are altruistic. These are things that might that effect bottom line.

My next argument would be you would merit very little when it comes to business acumen.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You keep going in circles. Whose safety? The fact that it is related to the bottom line DIRECTLY contradicts yourself, that safety is only a concern as related to the money, because the money is the only concern, and that money flows to the owner.

You can call my acumen bad, but I'm just using historically very successful businesses and their complete and utter neglect for worker, consumer, and environmental safety.