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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The effort to limit damage in the real world like advocating for a genocider?

Also, please do your best to act in good faith and not make things up about people.

[+] pupbiru@aussie.zone -6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Right now, you have 2 real choices. Every other choice is an effort to change your future choices. You want to push the democrats more left, and so do most of their voters… However your choices right now to effect the genocide are to either vote for someone that’s supporting the genocide or someone who cheers on and suggests more genocide faster. By abstaining, you’re putting yourself in the middle of the choice, which is potentially a worse outcome for Palestinians than making an upsetting choice.

That is the reality of the situation. By refusing to make an unpalatable choice, you’re helping to make a far worse outcome reality.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago

Right now, you have 2 real choices. Every other choice is an effort to change your future choices.

Does one of those choices include voting for PSL? Because that's what I'm doing. Or is that not "real"? What if I write it in extra dark ink?

You want to push the democrats more left

Remember, I said no more fibbing. Were you never taught that lying was wrong?

and so do most of their voters…

Maybe that believe that in their hearts but they do the exact opposite of what they should be doing to achieve that all the time.

However your choices right now to effect the genocide are to either vote for someone that’s supporting the genocide or someone who cheers on and suggests more genocide faster.

Hmm PSL isn't doing either sorry buddy looks like I managed to reach through the ether and do something other than vote for genociders.

PS the candidate you are defending is currently an active part of the genocide.

By abstaining

Remember, no fibbing!

you’re putting yourself in the middle of the choice, which is potentially a worse outcome for Palestinians than making an upsetting choice.

Actually I am simply not voting for either genocidal candidate and spend my time doing meaningful work against it. And sometimes reminding liberals that they should not support genocide, since apparently they need to be told that.

That is the reality of the situation. By refusing to make an unpalatable choice, you’re helping to make a far worse outcome reality.

There is no worse outcome than genocide.