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Alternative Title: "Bluesky pretty sure these leopards won't eat their face."

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[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From what I understand, bsky's architecture seems to allow federation at multiple levels. On one side the individual profiles are actually websites and the app aggregates the content almost as an RSS reader. I do see some profiles which are independent like Jeff Gierling's, so yes federation at the profile level seems to work.

And this is really important because it is one way to prevent your data from being hostage by the service. Then there is another level of federation. I'm not entirely sure of the terminology here, but there is one aggregator aspect, which is quite compute intensive. And that one I don't know if there is another instance of it. But functionally speaking, I'm quite impressed by the technical aspect of bsky. There has been a lot of thought put into it.

And monetizing it is not the issue, the problem is mostly how. That they have some paid features is fine, it's even important that there are ways to monetize it without milking their users of their privacy.

Let's hope this works out and becomes sustainable while respecting the users!

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The aggregator is called the Relay, and I haven't even found anything suggesting one could realistically selfhost it. Then you need to handle the massive stream of data coming through it with AppViews, which are tough to handle too (there are a few but not many iirc).

That said, I am also impressed with the thought behind ATProtocol. It seems much more robust and defined than ActivityPub.

[–] timconspicuous@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I haven’t even found anything suggesting one could realistically selfhost it

Check this out, this person self-hosted one for fun

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That link doesn't work for me, but I ended up finding a post by them that seems to correspond. Good to know, thanks! Seems like it's realistic but expensive still (150$/mo?), and it's not gonna get cheaper... I hope they figure out a way to make them less centralized.

[–] timconspicuous@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah sorry, bad timing, the handle stopped working a few hours ago, maybe the person has changed it, here is the same link with the handle-agnostic DID in the url: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:by3jhwdqgbtrcc7q4tkkv3cf/post/3l47yhps2xv2c

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

I did notice the @handle.invalid! Thanks!

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wanted to check it out, but the post appears to be deleted?

[–] timconspicuous@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Ah sorry, bad timing, the handle stopped working a few hours ago, maybe the person has changed it, here is the same link with the handle-agnostic DID in the url: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:by3jhwdqgbtrcc7q4tkkv3cf/post/3l47yhps2xv2c

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

defined

That's probably because they built a protocol specifically for a usecase, rather than building a protocol and hoping that someone will come along with a usecase.

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

My understanding was that activitypub was basically a rough formalization of existing protocols, designed to be as flexible as possible. More a template than a real protocol. Unfortunately mastodon's popularity basically made a bunch of things de-facto obligatory but not well documented, and there's still a bunch of ways to do.. anything.