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It's kind of funny, I think, that a plant so closely associated with America is actually not native at all.

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[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Apple pie has entered the chat.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sure, but the same applies to so many foods in so many cultures. What was Italian food like before they had access to tomatoes? Eastern, Central European, or Irish before potatoes? Chinese, Southeast Asian, or Korean before they had chili peppers?

Now each of those countries have dishes we associate with them but which use those non-native ingredients.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The more impressive thing is how the British had a global empire for roughly 400 years, and their cuisine remained awful.

[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that's because British food we commonly see as awful stems from food rationing that went on during and after WWII, as far as I know well in the 1970s

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That seems like a poor excuse, every country experienced rationing and they didn't revert to awful food. There's even a few dishes like fried spam and ramen that are actually pretty good.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

American cuisine also suffered dramatically in the post-war period due to a reliance on, for example, canned vegetables. A whole generation or two (boomers and Gen X) grew up not knowing what spices are, practically.

[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Then they somehow put everything in Jello in the 50s because apparently decent cuisine was completely forgotten

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Access to all those spices and they come up with bread sauce

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

They sold those spices for profit, that's how empires work.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

Hey now, it's thanks to them that we have chicken tikka and butter chicken.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Blows my minds that Indian and Asian food at one point wasn't spicy, and it wasn't until Europian trade from the America's that changed the cuisine

[–] raef@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They had pepper (actual, not chili).

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That would be part of why I said chili peppers, not pepper.

[–] raef@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

And I meant that they were still making food spicy hot

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

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