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[–] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yes, the sanctions against Russia, as mentioned by Linus. The change also said the maintainers "can come back in the future if sufficient documentation is provided".

My guess is that the Linux Foundation must ensure that none of the people they work with are in any way associated with any organisation, person or activity on the sanctions list. And that they preemptively removed all maintainers that might risk violating the sanctions while they work with them to establish whether they might be covered by the sanctions or not.

Regardless of what you or they think of the sanctions, they are the law, and I don't think anyone wants the Linux Foundation to have to spend their money on lawyers and fines because they had a maintainer who also worked on a research project funded by a sanctioned entity. (If that is how it works, IANAL)

[–] proton_lynx@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

OK, that's the first reasonable explanation I've come across. I wish ~~Greg~~ Linus didn't reply in that kind of "angry" tone, because for some of us it's not that obvious.

[–] Whom@beehaw.org 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it seems like they genuinely are just trying to be compliant with the law. I do think the "anyone who has concerns about this is a Russian troll" thing is obnoxious though, knowing of the existence of sanctions doesn't mean we're all lawyers who know the requirements here for open source projects.

[–] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The massive negative outcry over this fairly uninteresting change certainly seems oddly overblown, almost as if there are parties trying to turn it into a big political issue to paint Russia as a victim. But idk, nerds freak out over stuff all the time completely on their own.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I think the Linux Foundation has a hard time being clear on the matter because it just isn't clear. These are new laws and a global open source cooperation run by a non-profit is likely a corner case that the lawmakers did not think about at all when making them.

[–] Whom@beehaw.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

almost as if there are parties trying to turn it into a big political issue to paint Russia as a victim

Idk, there's probably some of that but until today with the clarification that the bans are happening from a list of employers they're required not to work with, things were pretty unclear and I don't think it was unreasonable to assume they were going beyond what was required...especially with Linus' response being pretty tone deaf given the information critics had. People were angry what seemed like random Russian citizens were being targeted and Linus responded angrily as if we all already knew their employers were on a list despite it not being reported yet.

It's not a huge deal but Linus is just not very good at handling this kind of thing. Nerds should have assumed there was more behind the scenes and given the benefit of the doubt, though.

[–] mihor@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Underrated comment.