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Meh, I think we can adjust.
I think most other systems would be worse, and the system itself is entirely irrelevant.
The only thing that will save us is science, climate change probably doesn't work the way you think it does, it's complex and we have room to work if the assholes get off our backs.
As I said. Deluding yourself.
We went from learning from books to having access to the entire sum knowledge of humanity in my pocket instantly in my lifetime.
Science is truly powerful, and I can say that because I'm literally arguing with you over it.
Geoengineering is basic science, the only thing blocking us from doing it are all the morons who don't understand how it works and believe "ONLY GAWD" is in charge of the weather, and the other group of morons who don't understand how it works and thing we should all run back to live in caves.
Read Malthus, we should never have made it this far.
Yes, it's complicated, you know what else is a complex system? The human body. Better not ever take any medicine or anything really.
We predicted climate change, we can use the same techniques to stop it.
I like how geo-engineering is snake oil, while instead losing 3/4 of the population and having the rest live like cavemen is somehow the rational and safe choice.
We can't sustain the current population on the planet, so either we figure out how to fix that problem, or we get rid of a lot of population, you're welcome to volunteer.
You clearly do not understand what eugenics is, and I was literally arguing against that, as that is the only logical conclusion to keep the planet at its natural human carrying capacity.
Have you not thought through the consequences of your beliefs? Do you not realize reducing human industry and agriculture to "sustainable levels" means dramatically reducing human population because we cannot remotely sustain what we have now?
Do you know where the fertilizer used to make the majority of our food from otherwise marginally arable land comes from?
Don't you high-horse me. You're arguing in fa-our of a system that's literally grouing and growing and growing. Further destroying the biosphere and therefore destroying the foundation of what we need to survive. You don't destroy the biosphere for so-called "progress" that's sells us fake-solution (electric vehicles that are unsupportable at the scale they're marketed after fake solution (AI, that's driving up the energy requirements needed for the transition to a more sustainable power grid) only to deepen the titanian rift between the poor and the filthy rich.
You're the worst kind of eugenicist. The one who claims they have moral high-ground. "We never should have come that far"
That 'system' is called human reproduction, our population is the reason for that growth, and the consumption of resources to fulfill it.
Your way results in harsh restrictions in reproduction, which might not be a bad Idea, but is definitely an unpopular one with moral concerns.
Otherwise we have to have an economy to sustain our population, I don't even understand how you can try to bring morality into it, human reproduction has the morality of the virus, we don't care what we destroy to reproduce, your parents didn't, that's sadly how life works.
The avalanche has already begun, it is too late for the pebbles to vote, the only rational thing (ie not throwing a childish tantrum that has no effect on reality) is to mitigate the damage.
Your religion is sad, guilt does not fix anything and there is no prize for the biggest victim.
Again, no other way to reply for you than to straw-man me and spout your eugenicist nonsense.
I'm not arguing for an end of reproduction, I'm arguing for the end of capitalism, before it kills us. If you don't even acknowledge the existence of systems and lack the creativity of imagining anything else than the self-destructive uath our species is on, I pity you.
But don't claim you're basing your views on science if you literally ignore scientific consensus. You're like a COVID-denier.