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If Trump wins the election, US cities are at risk of military takeovers and mass deportations
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this post was submitted on 17 Oct 2024
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Correct, so maybe we could stop protesting Harris over Israel until AFTER the fucking election?
Just saying, we should probably stop the genocide coming for us before we try to stop the one not in our backyard? I mean it's going to be harder to get Israel to stop bombing Palestinian children and give humanitarian aide to said children while we're lined up for Trump's gas chambers
signed, a transgender woman who don't want to end up in a mass grave full of other AMAB individuals all of us wearing pink triangles!
Fucking right?! Hate is being preached from the pulpit every Sunday supporting this clown and the machine pulling his strings.
In many places in this country our queer brothers and sisters are in mortal danger. These people hate and demonize the different and the other. It's an old playbook, but, it sure does work.
If you don't think the machine would put our people in camps; you're wearing blinders and don't know your history. Lives depend on this election.
My moral high horse?
I moved my family out of the deep South to a purple state. Every one in my house knows how to shoot, as well. That's about as much as I know to do.
I understand and do the same. It scares the shit out of me how ignorant the left is of the danger we're in. Blows my fucking mind. People really don't know even recent history.
Innocent gazans and Lebanese civilians dont want to end up in a mass grave either. If you wont stand up for civilization for them why should I or anyone else stand up for civiliation for you? If we are all being so calculated and tactical as you are, whats in it for me to save you? I'm not part of the trans community.
You dont even need to stand for justice-- just stand enough that we are neutral-- that we stop sending bombs,funding, and troops, and lending coverage in the UN. Do it for your own self respect and dignity, even.
Again, I'm not saying that it's okay to sacrifice Palestinians needlessly or that their lives are less important.
I'm saying to wait a god damn month for the election to be over before we start fighting the Democratic Party
Presidents do care about votes during an election. They dont care about sit ins and student protests. You're asking everyone to abandon any pushback of an active genocide. You are asking them to actively support it in fact. Why not pressure Harris to get her to pledge to stop it instead.
My one concern about her openly opposing the genocide in Gaza is that it would likely cause the electoral college to just hand the vote to Trump. That will be way worse for Palestinians overall. Don't forget Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2016.
Unfortunately there are too many people in the US government who are invested in supporting Israel, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that the electoral college is compromised like our supreme court is. Israel could be the make it or break it on that front.
Simple question: do you think voting in Trump again will make fighting for stopping the genocide in Gaza & Lebanon earlier or harder?
I think is she doesnt change her stand on it she has a good chance of losing.
That's a non answer. Do you think helping steer votes away from her and towards Trump helps or hurts your goal of ending the genocide?
I think it makes no difference whatsoever, when both are bought off by AIPAC money toward the same ends. But I do think there is only one that can conceivably be pressured to stop doing that, and only our every 4 year vote matters to them. Pushing on Trump is useless. This is your one chance to lift a finger to do the right thing with some pushback and demanding the shipments stop.
Innocent Americans don't want to suffer either.
Vote for orange arsewipe or his conservative enablers, Americans will suffer.
In the process of playing chicken with her to see who blinks first, yes, she might lose some votes. But she was going to lose some votes anyway because of the far right Israeli war, that she could win back that number and more if she alters her position to one that resonates with more Americans around the legends we tell ourselves about who we are. These are votes in key swing states that she could gain.
That loss of votes either way is on her and the cadre of scumbag consultants doing tactical spreadsheets based on issue support, weighing if they can keep that sweet sweet AIPAC money. You are just playing her and netenyahus game and you cant even see it that you have multiple peoples hands up your rear using you as a sock puppet. You allow that because you are utterly terrified, and that part is understandable.
Yea sounds great. Just accept genocide of the Palestinians and stop complaining about our paychecks funding war crimes and genocide every month. After all, it’s just genocide, right?
I agree, I don’t mind it happening to people over there as long as it doesn’t happen to me. It’s just genocide.
"Let's whinge and moan about a problem that will only get worse if Trump is elected, which whinging and moaning about against Harris prior to the election will help achieve!"
truly astonishing foresight
Sad
Go celebrate genocide somewhere else
You know, this is about the level of intelligence I was expecting from you after you said that "billions are Beyond division".
I get the impression that English is your second language, and your first is Russian.
Oooh you got me lol.
I'm not saying any amount of genocide is acceptable, I'm saying we need to wait for the gun to not also be pointed at our own heads before we try to play the hero.
just coming back here to say you've now entered the "find out" stage of the process.
Hope it's what you wanted!
My states delegates are going to Kamala. I live in a blue state.
Also, Trump has most likely won the popular vote which hasn’t happened for a republican in 20 years.
I don’t think yelling at voters works as well as you seem to think it does.
Living in a blue state is irrelevant when your bullshit online can be viewed by anyone on earth and therefore influence others in swing states. If you don't see how comments like your original one ("don't vote for kamala, genocide bad") helped achieve the election outcome you got, I really can't help you -- I can explain it for you but I can't understand it for you.
What helped achieve the election outcome is Kamala pivoting to the right and embracing neocons and her 80 corporate CEO’s.
This loss is hers and the DNC.
People said the same of Biden but protesting him got us Harris.
Biden had a catastrophically low approval rating and was doomed to lose even before the medical stuff came to light. He had far lower numbers than any dem in the past 80 years at that point in the cycle. If you want to pretend "whining" got us Harris instead of Bidens poor choices, thats fine, but the math tells a different story.
The people "whining" are criticizing those same poor choices.