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It's very discouraging to see communities move from one big instance to the other instead of spreading out.
they are moving be cause they are worried about the instance being forced to shutdown due to Mali government since the ml tld is being misused at the moment by description atm lol
I'm aware as to why they are moving and my comment was related to the replacement instance, not the current one.
Also the 10 year contract with the private company that Mali government signed is ended and now it's back under Mali control, so not sure what misuse you are taking about.
I think his point is why they are moving to a big instance, instead of a smaller one. I understand that from a point of view of someone who cares about fediverse, and the federated state of network.
That being said, it's tough starting and running a community, and being on a large instance makes world of a difference. I don't know why it is, when subscribing and participating in the remote community is just as simple, but there is a difference.
If you'd like a PS5 community on a less popular instance, feel free to create one and advertise it to build a userbase.
I, personally, believe communities should be hosted in places with staying power so that they never evaporate into thin air. If an instance I'm signed up for disappears, fine, I can make a new account. If an instance a community is on disappears, that's way more problematic.
There are plenty of instances that have staying power due to how they are run. In fact I would say that
lemmy.worldhad the most stability/technical issues out of all due to it's size.That's a very interesting point. Recently vlemmy.com shut down, and all the users can create a new account on another instance, but all the communities have just gone.
(Well, technically they exist on other instances, but since the instance hosting it is gone, anything posted now will not federated with any other instance.)
Yeah, it goes against the grain a bit, but I like a bit of centralization. I don’t want the entire site to be centralized, but I like big communities. I’m a big formula 1 fan for example, and it’s just not helpful for me to be in ten different small f1 communities here. I’d much rather there be one big one that even remotely approaches the quality of the f1 subreddit.
This was a large consideration I made. Lemmy is still very early and total users are still miniscule compared to something like Reddit or even Mastodon. So I believe concerns over centralization or decentralization are a little premature. But I understand and share in the concern.
Things are spreading out too, but it's only natural that the biggest instances will have most communities (most people mean, most communities created by them too).
I'm not talking about users, I'm talking about communities. Moving from one big instance to the other is not spreading out. Just check this community's sidebar listing "Other Gaming Communities" to see "how spread out" it is.
Some instances taking a strong stance against federating with Meta and some not ruling it out made me start to get on board with communities being located on different instances in case a migration becomes necessary again, so a huge bulk of communities aren't affected in that scenario due to most being centralized on one.
Yeah, I agree with this. I was checking different instances and communities today, and while there are tons of smaller instances, most of the communities are centered around bigger instances.
Fun fact: I joined lemmy.world and started nintendo community here when join-lemmy showed it had 3 users / month, and lemmy.world registrations required approvals. Didn't sign up on lemmy.ml to spread out the load to smaller instances. Didn't know it would become the largest instance soon after that.
I understand and I have no issue with communities existing on big isntances, but moving extablished community is a perfect opportunity to choose a smaller instance as it's easy to convert existing subscribers.
Again, if I had more time to evaluate alternatives I likely would have gone down this path. What I will say is if a migration tool for communities is developed, I will look into migrating again in order to accomplish this goal
And I established on lemmy.ml originally when my only real options at the time were ml and beehaw, and beehaw was more restrictive on signups and didn't allow for community creation. Things change fast.
Exactly my thought. I will not join in on lemmy.world
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can read my post and comments here and understand why I made the decision I did.
I addressed this across several comments in a lot of other communities yesterday, so feel free to check out my post history for more context. But, I am happy to address it again here.
I was already researching gaming specific instances for a potential future migration, instances like Lemmy.zip. I have been hearing of migration tools being worked on, so I thought that when a tool became available, I would be able to act in the best interest of the fediverse and spread out. Unfortunately, the Mali situation came out of left field. Fmhy was wiped out entirely without notice. If lemmy.ml is wiped out, PS5 gets killed outright. So, for the sake of the community and the sake of my subscribers, half of which are lemmy.world users, I had to act swiftly. This is the direction I chose in the time I believe I have available. I will continue to look out for migration tools, and carefully consider my options down the road for a potential future migration of PS5 or the establishment of a PS6 community.
In my mind that's a perfect opportunity to choose a smaller instance as coverting existing subscribers is easy.
Also it's weird to me how everyone says that Mali situation came out of nowhere. It was always in the contract as the .ml domain was given out for free by a private company that had a 10 year contract for that domain, it expired on July 17. It even was mentioned everywhere a few weeks ago when US sent military documents to one of the .ml emails instead of .mil.
I can't just choose a smaller instance blindly when I'm trying to build for the long term. I need time to vet admins, align ideals, understand the infrastructure, place trust in the admins that they won't just give up, or make a critical error, etc. It's a fundamental different calculus than just making a user account. Even a large instance like Fmhy fumbled the ball and had their domain sniped. I need guarantees that where I choose to park my community will still be around when the going gets tough. This all takes time, and prior to Mali, I had time. Once Fmhy fell, I wasn't sure if I had hours, let alone days or weeks. I chose to place my trust in the largest instance because they have the best track record, not just on lemmy, but also on mastodon.
As for being taken by surprise, not everyone follows TLD news. I thought ml for was machine learning, not the country of Mali. And I only heard of all of this this week. Needless to say, I get the concerns and sympathize with them, but I made the best choice for my community.