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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please stop making up definitions for words that already have them. Liberalism has always been pro capitalist. Neo liberal specifically refers to complete deregulation of the market, abolishing the income tax, and getting rid of social welfare programs like SSI and Medicare.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please stop making up definitions for words that already have them.

You first make the above condescending statement, then immediately follow it up by describing right-libertarianism, thus making up a definition for a word that already has that description.

Modern neoliberals are not so extreme as to advocate for the total abolishment of fundamental social safety nets as you suggest. Instead, they are much more diabolical. They pretend to support such programs just enough to attract the socially progressive vote. They frequently hold a platform of "reforming" such programs to lower their costs. Once elected, the modern neoliberal gently strangles those programs to allow them to lower corporate taxes or provide benefits to the business class in exchange for their financial support. Some examples of modern American neoliberals are Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

So how 'bout you stop making up definitions for words that already have them? We don't have to debate fucking minutia and semantics at the expense of destroying our actual common enemies. Instead of being condescending to one another, why don't we try working together for a fucking change? I can see why the French started killing each other when they ran out of elites. I am fucking bloodthirsty right now and arguing stupid shit with people on my own team is a waste of both of our resources.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No. Just no.

They share a couple goals. They are not the same thing. And if you want to describe Neo Liberalism so broadly as to mean all American politicians who aren't Socialist then you're just spreading misinformation at that point. Usually this is some stupid take from tankies.

Go look it up. Because Maggoty class time is over. I've spent enough time today on this already.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Go look it up.

Okay. Below are some links to sources to support my characterization of neoliberalism and my specific assertion that Clinton and Reagan are thought of as neoliberals in modern American politics.

Now, can you provide any evidence of your assertion that

"Neo liberal refers specifically to the deregulation of the market, abolishing the income tax, and getting rid of social welfare programs like SSI and Medicare"?

Because I looked it up like you suggested, and I'm not seeing any evidence to support your claim.

Looks like maybe class is still in session for Maggoty. Please feel free to educate me. I may not be very smart, but I am curious and open to learn some of that Maggoty nuance you like to try to bully people with.

REAGAN AND NEOLIBERALISM

What is neoliberalism? A political scientist explains the use and evolution of the term

Neoliberalism from Reagan to Clinton

Ronald Reagan Was a Proud Neoliberal

First-wave neoliberalism in the 1980s: Reaganomics and Thatcherism

BILL CLINTON WAS A NEOLIBERAL

How Bill Clinton Became a Neoliberal

Bill Clinton Did More to Sell Neoliberalism than Milton Friedman

How the Third Way Made Neoliberal Politics Seem Inevitable

MODERN DEMOCRAT PARTY IS HIGHLY NEOLIBERAL

Democrats and Neoliberalism

How the Democrats Traded the New Deal for Neoliberalism

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And not a goddamn .edu among them. Thank you for illustrating the problem. It's literally available for free. Have fun reading, they have one about normal liberals too.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link. Your own source absolutely destroys your case for you. Below is an excerpt. Notice how it is precisely the opposite of your description of neoliberalism.

Neoliberals support modest taxation, the redistribution of wealth, the provision of public goods, and the implementation of social insurance, embracing a state somewhat more expansive than one where government protects people from foreign powers and domestic criminals, produces public goods, and provides limited services for the poor.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know we can all read that in context through the link right?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes! That's the best part about all of this! The entire paper paints you as a liar.

Why are you so hell-bent on creating wedges within the left on Lemmy? It's very weird.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Sure thing buddy.