Well those people are idiots with no idea about the immense expense of smoking-related diseases much more than making up for any savings society might get from decreased longevity.

It's not about society saving money, it's about the greed of big tobacco and the politicians they own.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Smoking-related diseases" are just cancer and heart disease, mostly.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apart from the fact that you just mentioned the two top non-acute causes of death, that's not even close to true.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm saying it's not like some weird esoteric thing that we don't see anywhere else in the medical industry. Heart disease from smoking isn't more expensive to treat than heart disease without smoking.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Smoking is the number one cause of preventable death bar none, and it causes a shitload of nonfatal diseases and complications too, all in all making it EXTREMELY expensive for any society to deal with on a large scale.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

The dude above seems to think that Nicotine has no downsides and it's just tobacco that causes harm. He is stupid, don't spend long talking with him.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, kind of? Nicotine is literally a natural pesticide, it's actually quite destructive towards everything it touches. Smoking causes dental issues, which cause far more disease than you'd expect. Also being unable to run up a flight of stairs without dying a little bit probably makes it worse.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nicotine is literally a natural pesticide, it’s actually quite destructive towards everything it touches

That is absolutely not true lol

It's not even harmful at the levels present in cigarettes.

It's all the OTHER stuff in cigarettes that kills you.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If this were the case, vaping nicotine would have pretty much no downsides. Look man I smoke way too much, but saying nicotine isn't inherently problematic and unhealthy is stupid and it's cope. Nicotine itself is considered toxic, if it wasn't it would be prescribed off label all the time and we wouldn't have the need for things like Effexor that are pretty much just long lasting and non toxic nicotine.

Edit: do you ever think before you speak? Seriously, I keep seeing you say dumb shit that you get corrected on. You didn't respond to anything I said with any sort of information other than pop culture smoker's copium. You just said I was wrong with no source and no information. Nicotine's use in nature is pesticide, it is literally a poison. You talk with a ton of confidence for someone who isn't making any actual point than a "whell acktually" that is factually incorrect.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If this were the case, vaping nicotine would have pretty much no downsides.

Ooooh you're so close

I'll be back in a day or so to give you the facts.