Oh no, let me understand the perspective of people bombing civilians to cause them to lose faith in the local militia group for the sake of colonization and conquest. I'm sure they have a good reason.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So reductive, inflamatory, and ill-informed. It's kind of sad.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And the Nazis had a point or two as well didn't they? Let's break down the pros and cons of genocide, let's not be so hasty to judge.

Unlike you, I don't need to wait for historians to reach a consensus on the evils of my time.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Keep it coming. You are cracking me up. Nazi comparisons now, and I'm the unhinged one?

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pretty normal to call a state that commits genocide a Nazi state as that's the thing the Nazis did. That and the race mixing laws. Don't forget it's illegal to race mix in Israel. Ethno state, famously also a Nazi thing. This isn't hyperbole, it's a pretty direct comparison.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So very similar to the history of countries in the area kicking out/killing Jewish people. I don't even have a side in this bullshit. I just see a bunch of bad faith actors surrounded by howler monkeys hanging on to one side or the other. And the weird one-sided idiot rhetoric thrown around on this site. I would like to know if you think Oct 7th, or Hezbollah launching rockets into Israel on Oct 8th (or any of the many other dates) is terrorism as well. Or if using civilians as human shields is a legitimate tactic. Again, I 100% agree that Israel has gone way too fucking far, but I don't agree that one side is assholes and the other side is saints. It's that scene in Spaceballs, I'm surrounded by assholes.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course it's terrorism. But there is a difference between an all powerful state committing terrorism on people it doesn't have to, and a people committing terrorism on their occupiers and genocides after having literally every other option of fighting back being removed.

You'll nod your head to JFKs quote "those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" and then sit on the fence when the inevitable happens. Acting like both sides are in the wrong when one side, the one with power in the situation committed to actions that everyone always knew would lead to this. I blame Israel for the death of its civilians due to palastinian terrorism.

Same as I do with the polish Warsaw ghetto uprising.

Same as I do with the IRA.

Same as I do with native American uprisings.

History is filled with noble causes resulting to terrorism due to the complete lack of any other options. It's not great. It's not cool. It fuckin sucks. But at the end of the day, it is ALWAYS the fault of the oppressor. Every time. Always.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I blame Israel for the death of its civilians due to palastinian terrorism.

I return to my original statement, and we have now completed the circle and neither of us has changed. Much like the violence and depravity of religious wars in the Middle East.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

One of us has a morally defensible position backed with historical examples of similar events and the other doesn't know how to even recognize a genocide is happening before his very eyes. That's really the crux of the whole thing. You simply don't see the wholesale slaughter of brown people as a genocide. My argument relies entirely on the moral backbone that opposing genocide is righteous. Your argument is to refuse your own eyes.

If that was your family, born behind a wall and then bombed to hell, I bet you would have a different tune. Sadly for people like you with no moral philosophy whatsoever, having no empathy for people experiencing things you don't is pretty normal. It's why Nazi Germany was able to do what it did. It's why south Africa got away with what it did. It's why the native Americans were genocided as they were. And it's why right at this moment you fence sit a slaughter.