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[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"I'm not going to help until you guys fix the problem for me"

[–] knightly@pawb.social -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Those guys" are part of the problem, voting for them before they stop helping genocide the Palestinians does not incentivize them to stop being part of the problem.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We can do more than one thing at a time. It's absolutely possible to vote for Democrats to put them in a position to do the things we want while simultaneously pushing that same party to do those things.

Real change requires that we capture the Democratic party while strengthening it, not kneecaping it into submission. Primaries are where the real push happens. That's when it needs to be a drag out fight with the party. Not the general.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I only have one vote for the Presidential seat and it is entirely symbolic because I don't live in a swing state.

You say we need to capture the party, but I'm watching it be captured by "moderate" Republicans who suddenly seem very eager to endorse Harris.

This election didn't have a primary, so it sounds like there never was a chance for a "real push".

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You say we need to capture the party, but I'm watching it be captured by "moderate" Republicans who suddenly seem very eager to endorse Harris.

Because a ton of people who are progressive sit out largely using the argument you've put forth. See the problem there?

This election didn't have a primary, so it sounds like there never was a chance for a "real push".

I mean primarying an incumbent president is incredibly difficult, I'm not going to disagree. But in our local primaries here in CO we were able to knock out 2 old guard dems and replace them with young progressives that will be on the ballot this fall. We're literally moving the party to the left. It's an absolute grind, but that's the only way this shit will work.

It's also exactly how the conservative crazies got ahold of the GOP, I'm not just spouting theory. They primaried the fuck out of members that didn't do what they want, especially at the local and state levels, and it has absolutely paid off for them. And that took at least 3 full election cycles if not more.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

And it's backfiring, which is part of why the Democrats are going to win the presidency in this election.

We know the Democrats aren't going to do anything to stop Israel, so the only real question left is whether or not the Republican party will fracture after Trump loses again.