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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

it’s hard to say what would have happened if the central powers prevailed, whether they would have decided to expand into Russia or not care enough to press that front.

Then why is it so easy to say that modern Russia would continue expanding forever? Isn't it possible that Putin is more like Kaiser Wilhelm than Adolf Hitler?

But again, the WWI Russian experience of maybe fighting in a conflict where they didn’t actually have a horse in the race doesn’t apply here, where the combatants are Ukranians, who have no option offered of just being left alone for the sake of peace.

They do though. They could negotiate peace at the cost of territorial concessions, the same way the Soviets did. It's not that the Soviets didn't have a dog in the fight, they surely would've preferred a better treaty that preserved more of their territory, but they prioritized peace instead.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This isn't entirely incorrect, but this is pretty much what happened 10 years ago. And here we are. You can argue appeasement or suggest this is a one-time thing, but it's already the second time. Also, Putin has said he wants to rebuild the Soviet empire, so suggesting he will stop here on his own goes against his own statements.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Putin has said he wants to rebuild the Soviet empire

No, he has not. Source.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Okay, you're sort if correct. He alluded to it. He mentioned the Russian Empire attacking various neighbors and taking over their territory using excuses of ethnicity and then referred to it as returning and reinforcing, not conquering. He then said it fell to their lot to return and reinforce, as well. Here's a link that discusses it. Given the date and the discussion, I'm sure you can find other sources for it. That was just the first that appeared on my search.