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Those claiming AI training on copyrighted works is "theft" misunderstand key aspects of copyright law and AI technology. Copyright protects specific expressions of ideas, not the ideas themselves. When AI systems ingest copyrighted works, they're extracting general patterns and concepts - the "Bob Dylan-ness" or "Hemingway-ness" - not copying specific text or images.

This process is akin to how humans learn by reading widely and absorbing styles and techniques, rather than memorizing and reproducing exact passages. The AI discards the original text, keeping only abstract representations in "vector space". When generating new content, the AI isn't recreating copyrighted works, but producing new expressions inspired by the concepts it's learned.

This is fundamentally different from copying a book or song. It's more like the long-standing artistic tradition of being influenced by others' work. The law has always recognized that ideas themselves can't be owned - only particular expressions of them.

Moreover, there's precedent for this kind of use being considered "transformative" and thus fair use. The Google Books project, which scanned millions of books to create a searchable index, was ruled legal despite protests from authors and publishers. AI training is arguably even more transformative.

While it's understandable that creators feel uneasy about this new technology, labeling it "theft" is both legally and technically inaccurate. We may need new ways to support and compensate creators in the AI age, but that doesn't make the current use of copyrighted works for AI training illegal or unethical.

For those interested, this argument is nicely laid out by Damien Riehl in FLOSS Weekly episode 744. https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/744

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[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pirating movies or games for personal use is for profit. You're saving money, which is effectively the same thing as earning money. The difference is in scale, not in kind. Just because you as an individual person are causing less harm by pirating content than a major corporation is, it doesn't mean you're not still commiting the exact same crime both legally and morally speaking.

[–] toddestan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're using a weird definition of profit, which to most people is some sort of financial gain. Saving money isn't the same as profiting. You're not turning a profit when you use a $1.00 off coupon on a package of Oreos at the grocer just like you're not turning a profit if you download a movie.

Also, go look up criminal copyright infringement. That's what is defined as a crime legally, and downloading a movie or a CD doesn't meet that threshold unless maybe you're torrenting it and therefore distributing it. Morally, well you can argue that, but not everyone is going to agree with you.

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you get a $1 discount on something it means you've got a $1 more to spend on something else. Financially speaking, there is no practical difference to you simply earning an extra $1. Piracy saves people money which means they have more money to spend on something else. It's not the same kind of profit an AI company makes but the difference is mostly in scale and semantics. With AI companies you're also paying for the computing power needed to train and run such AI, so it's not exactly that they're just serving you pirated content and charging for it.