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[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's simpler than that - the left has principles, while the right has unity and message discipline driven by deference to authority, a victim complex fear, hate, and thirst for power.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're mistaken that the right is unified. The fight among each other quite a lot. They can only manage to unite under a charismatic strongman, but quickly fall into infighting when that falters.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They're not unified, they're unified ...now?

The fact that they have conflicting ideologies (e.g. Nazis and Zionists as I said below) and continue to push in the same direction is pretty straightforward evidence of this.

The unification pre-dates Trump - the rise of the tea party saw ideological rifts, but they all fell in line when the time came. Bush wasn't a charismatic strongman... nor was McConnell for that matter.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You only think they're pushing in the same direction because you're on the outside looking in. As the op points out, they think the same about leftists.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

What issues is the left actually coordinated on? The non-specific "weird" narrative. Access to reproductive healthcare maybe.

Where is there meaningful dissent on the right?

  • It's not the obvious "stolen" election bullshit

  • Even the Nazis are backing Israel

  • They're fighting regulation of firearms

  • They're all pushing for austerity broadly

  • They want to restrict immigration

  • They want to deregulate companies

  • They want to outlaw trans people

  • They broadly support Russia with a bit of surface-level sabre-rattling

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Right. It doesn't take long to find reasons that conservatives should be divided. Libertarians hyper-capitalists only care about taxes and eliminating government regulations, but are happy to ally with Christian Dominionists. Christian Dominionists, in turn, would only benefit from bringing traditionally black and latinx churches under their philosophy, but they're also allied with racists who only care about religion and libertarian hyper-capitalism if it provides a way for white people to dominate all others. You can categorize any given conservative by which policy they choose when a contradiction comes up.

None of these groups fit together at all, and there are obvious contradictions between them. Racists will happily add regulations that black people can't sit in the same diners as white people, which the libertarians ought to hate. Libertarians end social programs that help people, which Christians ought to hate. They're masters of ignoring all that to get their party into power.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

See also: Nazis and Zionists.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That one may be less contradictory than you think. Depends on the brand.

Historically, there were many Christian Zionists who thought "we should give the Jews their homeland so we can kick them out of Europe". Likewise, certain white nationalists argue that every race should have their own homeland (granted, this may be a ploy more than a real conviction), and Bibi often finds himself in friendly company there.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Reasonable, but understanding that doesn't solve for the core "sinister Jewish cabal" narrative, I think it comes down to simple ideological alignment - far-right fascist autocracy with genocidal tendencies. There's not much they disagree on.