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[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I have an orchard full of mirabelle plum trees. I keep some of the production for personal consumption and to hand out to friends and family, and sell the rest.

On average, I make back all the money invested in tools and other farming products halfway through the gathering season.

According to you, it's ok if someone comes and steal my fruit after that then?

Imagine calling someone else a leech when you are literally promoting theft because you have decided that after an arbitrary amount of time (2 months, apparently), it's all paid for.

I buy games because it's the right thing to do. Not because I am afraid.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This hypothetical is a false equivalence as fruit is a physical good. Digital media can be copied ad nauseum without the owner losing access to their copy.

When someone steals your fruit, its not just that they have fruit and you didn't get money, its that you no longer have any of your fruit.

A better metaphor is if someone bought your fruit, buried the seeds, grew their own plum tree, and started giving away the fruit that they grew.

Also call it being afraid, but I don't have shame in being security conscious. Not that I run games outside of a controlled VM, but anyone who would run a cracked exe that uses a closed source implementation is fucking asking for it. Only software crack I've ever trusted was massgrave for activating windows/office.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The fruits themselves are an accessory to my argument, the fact you chose to criticize this minute detail, and not the actual argument (you deciding that someone has made enough money and therefore it's ok to enjoy the fruits of their labor for free) is quite telling.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Its not a minute detail lmao, it throws the entire argument. In one instance you're stealing a physical good. In another you're making a one-to-one copy of a piece of information. Information that exists on MY physical storage medium, using MY bits that I physically own.

You specifically chose that metaphor knowing this. Don't try and gaslight me with that shit.

Just because you're wrong doesn't mean you have to argue in bad faith, sweety. <3

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh my god you are denser than a box of rocks.

The fruits are basically infinite as long as the tree stands. In fact, I throw many of the fruits away every year because I can't sell them fast enough. The fruits are accessory to the argument.

In one instance you say that someone makes enough money therefore there's no need to reward them further for their work, in the other you say wait no that's different because bullshit reasons.

Just say you're ok with stifling creative people because you don't believe the deserve to live off of their hard work.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Just say you're ok with stifling creative people because you don't believe the deserve to live off of their hard work.

Just admit you're too dense to see the difference between pirating a piece of media owned by a corporation who's no longer giving money to the artists for said creation, and a smaller artist/group of artists who survive directly off of their work.

But yeah tell me more about how the indie dev who spends hundreds a month on tiny band camp artists doesn't give a shit about creative because I refuse to pay $40 for flacs of a classic rock album when indie artists can do the same thing for $8. Despite the $8 purchase actually going to artists and not record label execs/shareholders.

Furthermore, you growing fruit takes resources and time. I can make thousands of copies of a file in a single keystroke. Again, the more apt metaphor would be me buying fruit, using that to grow my own, and giving that away. Even then its not exact.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Furthermore, you growing fruit takes resources and time.

Meanwhile, artistic creation just happens.

Lmao you're such a leech. Only a leech believes art takes no effort and no time. This single line in your entire argument demonstrates that you do not value creativity, and therefore you think you aren't required to pay your share.

In other words, you're a leech.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Look if you're just going to take single lines from a multi-paragraph reply out of context to fuel your bad faith arguments, you can go bite one.

The fact that you repeatedly call me a leech is very telling. It says to us that you're interested in finding excuses to put strangers in a box so you can feel better about yourself.

Maybe go out and find something about yourself to actually like, instead of this upstanding citizen bullshit, because its a very thin veneer.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I feel pretty good about myself all of the time. I find life rather enjoyable, as I do not need to write down 45 paragraphs in order to justify some sort of shitty behavior like you need to.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't argue with people to justify my actions, silly goose, I do it to satisfy my neurotic compulsion to tell dipshits why they're wrong. Because unlike you, I know my faults. <3

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And yet, you've spent countless paragraphs justifying how it's ok for you to be a leech