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Damn it's a really good thing that Telegram sucks so bad and that groups never had access to end-to-end-encryption.
Will make these people easier to identify.
These small factions of complete assholes put a stain on encryption technologies that governments like to point out. I still think that everyone should have easy access to high quality encryption. While it can be enabling for groups like this, the nanny state alternative we continue to move towards is ultimately worse.
Those group channels do NOT have encryption, telegram misleading users is an absolute stain. All this is stored in plain text on Telegram's servers.
It's not plain text. It should be encrypted using keys stored on server. Still not end-to-end.
Everything which exists ephemerally on the server, but could as well not exist, that you can't verify, should be considered non-existent.
That implies law enforcement will investigate right wing extremists, which they often don't because they're a part of that whole thing. Loads of LEOs give their buddies insider info to avoid being flagged.
Apart from the encryption, how exactly does it suck?
The terrorists and child pornographers tend to stink the place up pretty bad.
"Terrorists" is such an interesting word.
As in - invading Iraq wasn't terrorist apparently. 15 years ago from the news it seemed to have produced a backlog of war crimes to be investigated for like half a century (maybe exaggerating), but in fact the investigations stopped as soon as public attention got saturated.
I've heard the Artsakh Defense Army being called "bandits" and "terrorists", and they are all my brothers (if they want that).
Still, to those "terrorist" bros who really use it I'd advise to move asap to something which is not snake oil. Again, Signal, or DeltaChat, or whatever else they find, just should do some research.
Nelson Mandela was also considered a terrorist till 2008
I was talking about drug cartels, Neo-Nazis, and Islamic extremists, not your "bros".
Some of those are better people than their enemies too. All of them sometimes.
It's a real problem that guerillas use insecure means of communication. They are an important component of our world's stability. A counterweight, so to say.
You think Neo-Nazis are better than their enemies?
Sometimes. Though the enemies are arguably Nazis too in the example that came to my head.
No other religions, huh? Just islam? Very telling. Nothing to say about christian/hindu/zionist terror...
Enough with the bad faith semantic arguments, we're talking about groups that organize at scale on Telegram. ISIS heavily recruits and organizes on Telegram, that's why I brought up Islamic extremism.
Any campaign of extremist violence, regardless of ideology, is a problem. Now kindly back off unless you have something of substance to say.
Islamists have committed a genocide against Yazidis and Assyrians just a few years ago. Islamists are also committing crimes against Christians in a few places in Africa you've never heard about.
Christianity, when it's not European, is a much more humane religion than Islam. Should be the reason why European colonial powers were so eager to rely on Muslims in India and Africa, again.
Hindu terror is a thing. Last time I heard it was against Christians though, just recently. They also have a rather harsh regime in Kashmir, but that's mirrored on the Pakistani side, so a draw between Hindus and Muslims.
Zionism is not a religion.
Yeah it always strikes me how religious extremism is framed. You rarely hear about christian extremists, who operate in the open on all social networks.
Yet, you could argue that Christian extremists have done more harm to western societies in the last 20 years than any Islamic group.
As far as I am concerned, Azerbaijan and Turkey are Muslim and Israel is Jewish, so the most harmful terrorists are not Christian.