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Isn't the whole point of Christianity that Jesus died for your sins, so by that logic Jesus died so you could have a divorce
You could have a divorce before Jesus died for your sins too. It's just you're no longer going to go to hell for it.
But in one of the books I want to say Paul maybe Ephesians talks about this specific issue and he says that by that measure shouldn't we sin all the more so that Grace can abound all the more, and of course the answer is no.
Ah yes, the Apostle Paul would be such an authority on the matter, a former Pharasee who never met Jesus or his handpicked Apostles who just happened to have a "vision" of Christ pretty much confirming "No, you guys, what I actually meant was this." And managed to hijack the religion to serve the needs of the rich.
Hijacked it for the Greeks is more like it. But, frankly, Jesus's actually apostles were very much failing pretty spectacularly to spread the sect among the Jews so, eh.
You think Jesus meant we should go and sin as much as we like because he paid for it? Does that work for murder or theft?
Paul also went to Jerusalem to visit Peter and James to make sure he was teaching the right thing. Probably there he received what he would later pass on, such as the early creed in 1 cor 11:23.
Yeah, sure... maybe. But it's all nonsense and has nothing to do with reality. In the actual world we live in laws apply, as well as a good possibility of getting your ass beat for stealing someone's stuff
I don't seal because it is immoral, not because I'll get caught. If we only go by the laws of the country, there'd be no way to say a law is immoral. Or hate speech would be fine as it's covered under the first amendment. I hold to morality not just the law
Pfffft, says you.
Says the guy (Paul) who never met Jesus
how do they rationalize that
The carrot and the stick. Make your carrot too juicy (which is how you keep your followers happy and attached to you) and you need to do more mental gymnastics to keep them in line
The law is a curb mirror and guide. It curbs our evil destruction tendencies and shows us our falts, then guides us to the best way to live.
I think you might be getting moral and ceremonial laws mixed up. Stealing, murder, lying etc are mortal laws that Jesus doesn't overthrow. He says he fulfills them, but not one for will pass away of them. Ceremonial and civil laws on the other hand are for the governing of Israel at a certain period in time. The sacrifices, cities of refuge, dietary laws, priestly organisation etc are not moral codes, but rules for how Israel the nation was to be run.
So when Paul says to not keep sinning, he's saying it's not now okay to kill someone, not that you shouldn't poop in your home.
But should you stop killing gay people because they're an abomination in the eye of god, or would that be a sin 🤔
So “sins” can be either “mortal” or “ceremonial,” and the latter are, post Jesus’s death, ok? How did Jesus’ death affect the mortal sins, if at all?
Mortal sins have a different connotation in catholicism, so I'll keep calling them moral sins instead, aka things that she immoral. Moral sins are things that hurt us and others. Jesus died to take the punishment for our sin on himself instead of us. But since moral sin still hurts us and others, we still shouldn't do it. But when we do, we have forgiveness in Christ so that we don't despair about our relationship with God.
Yes the ceremonial laws no longer apply, since we are not in old Israel. Even before Jesus' time, the ceremonial laws concerning the Tabernacle didn't apply. After Jesus, the rest were repealed.