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Aren't they running a government now? Am I out of the loop?
Are you talking about Wendyland?
I'm not sure if you were in the loop at some point on this one but you might be thinking of Afghanistan and Taliban
Ah ok, I probably am. I actually haven't heard about either of them for a long time and I didn't realize isis was gone.
Isis isn't gone, they aren't holding any territory right now and are greatly diminished, but they took credit for an attack in Russia this year even.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_City_Hall_attack
Got it, thanks!
Nope, you're thinking of taliban. But there is a new ISIS (ISIS-k for khorasan) now who is actually an enemy of taliban (part of afghanistan comes under khorasan and ISIS-k claims that they should rule it.
Both are classified as terrorist groups but the key difference is Taliban focuses more inwards while ISIS is globally terroristic. Like that threat in taylor swift concert was ISIS.
Historically talibans have always wanted to rule their own country while ISIS has wanted to rule over the whole world by creating a caliphate and sticking to a very extremist version of islam.
If I'm not wrong, the whole conflict with Taliban started when US asked them to hand over Osama bin laden, afghan people said no because he was their guest and culturally afghanis go to extreme lengths in their hospitality (like they take offense if you don't eat in their house, or in this case, they would fight with their life to protect their guest) so basically US declared war on afghanistan and talibans (early freedom fighters) were formed. But over the years they have become much more terroristy (is it even a word?) and violent, such as their attacks in Pakistan for supporting US and so on.
Morally talibans are slightly better than ISIS.
The Taliban didn't form up after we invaded. They were already a thing. They're the ones that ended the Russian/Warlord period. The idea was kind of like an Islamic unity government. They're also mostly Pashtun and want the Pashtun areas the British put in Pakistan because the British were extremely shitty at drawing lines.
While terror attacks have formed a part of their strategy they have always acted more like a government in exile than a terrorist group. ISIS on the other hand is a terrorist group claiming it's a government over whatever area they think they can get away with.
They are launching attacks in Pakistan because the taliban, being essentially a pashtun supremacy group, wants the all the land that are majority pashtun ie the land in northern Pakistan where the most pashtuns live. The current border between Pakistan and Afghanistan was made by the British in 1893 and is quite literally a line drawn on a map
Pretty much all land borders are lines drawn on map 😅
I see, thanks for the explanation.
I think you're thinking of the Taliban