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Where are all the hexbear and .ml kids frothing at the mouth about this?
They don't really care
After all, none of them lives in Gaza
So if leftists really cared about Gaza, they'd... not protest the party currently in power? The one selling the bombs?
Because I don't think you genuinely believe any leftist, tankie or otherwise, actually likes Trump. I think you just don't like it when they protest Biden or Harris.
They can protest Biden and Harris all day every day for all I care
What I don't like is that they're planning to sit at home with their arms crossed while Trump gets elected
Putin only pays to derail Democrat energy.
Oh, sorry, and Xi.
Tankies aren't pro-Trump, and Trump isn't in office. Do you think Biden is going to actually do anything about Trump doing this (like having the DoJ investigate/charge him under the Logan Act)? He doesn't want a ceasefire either.
... if Biden had done this they would be screaming blue bloody murder.
Sure, because he is the President, and belongs to ostensibly the "Left-wing party". Trump can't send them bombs. Trump can't protect them from others intervening to stop their genocide.
Trump doesn't actually have any leverage to move Netanyahu either direction, and anyone who is being honest knows Netanyahu has had no intention of ending this any time soon, so Trump was just telling him to do what he already planned to.
The scandal here has, in reality, nothing to do with Gaza, and everything to do with the US election. Trump attempting to take any action that violates the Logan Act in order to help in the election is an attempt to subvert democracy.
The fact that he chose to violate the Logan Act just to tell someone not to do something they had no plans to, just speaks to his idiocy.
If he is giving a foreign head of state reassurance that US policy will change if he wins, he is also subverting US policy. This is far from a nothingburger.
So people need to vehemently denounce Trump once per hour or else they must obviously be siding with him...?
Seriously though, isn't it obvious? If you expect Trump to be terrible, why would you fly into a rage when he meets that expectation? By contrast, Biden is expected to be better than this, and yet isn't.
Pressure is applied where it is most effective. That is not and will never be anyone from the Republican party, because they openly and obviously do not give a fuck about any of us.
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My point is, by complaining about the Dems and not about Trump you're undermining the likelihood of a Dem president.
The whole "genocide joe" narrative did not provide any benefit in Gaza, but significantly improved the chances of a Trump presidency.
Protesting outside the DNC is actively supporting a Trump presidency and worse outcomes in Gaza.
Biden's admin absolutely noticed the protests against him and it was because of that that we got a pause (however temporary) on some of the heavy ordnance sold to Israel. The uncommitted votes in the primaries did not go unnoticed either. Not to mention that absolutely none of us are suggesting Trump is a viable alternative to anyone (i.e. we are not discouraging voting against him), and that we'd protest just as fervently (if not more) if he did win.
All this however is placing the blame on us for standing up for what we believe in, and implicitly forgiving the Biden admin for the atrocities they enable — after all, if they wanted to secure their candidacy more, why not acquiesce? Everyone's all ready to criticize the people protesting to save lives, but not so much prepared to criticize the people enabling the killing?
Still, let's be generous and take this as true regardless. Once the election is over, are you willing to commit to joining us in protesting until the U.S. stops sending weapons to Israel, regardless of who wins?
I don't concede that the protests thus far have reduced any suffering I'm Gaza.
If you want to minimise suffering in Gaza, make sure Harris wins. Do these protests further that objective?
I understand you're not suggesting people vote for Trump, but that just gets lost in the noise. There's plenty of people that would see these protests and conclude that "both sides are bad" and simply not vote.
I still won't be protesting after the election. Firstly because im not in the US, but even if i was I just don't think it's a very effective use of time.