this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2024
175 points (91.9% liked)

World News

38978 readers
3652 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When she says "ceasefire" she's talking about finding ways to make docile liberals okay with dragging this whole genocide out longer. Harris could stop it in a concrete way by halting all the bomb and missile shipments until they run out of ammo and have to come beg for more again. That then gives you leverage to say "stop indescriminantly murdering civilians, r*ping prisoners, and assassinating the person you're supposed to be negotiating with"

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  • So we don't want a ceasefire? WHAT?

  • And you think Israel is only buying weapons from the US...?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  • So we don’t want a ceasefire? WHAT?
    

weasel politicians have discovered that you don't need to do anything, you simply need to say you're doing something, and change the meaning of the word. 'ceasefire' as the democrats now speak about it, is too little, too late. Especially considering they have been the administration bypassing congress to send weapons to the ongoing massacre.

  • And you think Israel is only buying weapons from the US…?

If it was viable for the settler entity to support itself, why are the Democrats so quick to send them bombs to murder civilians with? Cut them off.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

politicians say stuff and lie

That's not an argument. There is nothing for me to engage with.

I think you're right and you shouldn't bother to vote. What's the point?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am right and I still vote, but this is not a democracy, that's mostly my issue. If Democrats are not going to meaningfully distinguish themselves from Republicans when it comes to how they treat people who look like me, why should I treat them with any less scorn?

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are any Republicans calling for a ceasefire? You can't in one breath admonish them for misleading you then in the other call for them to set policy.

I understand the frustration. I really do.

Whether justly or not, Israel is a long time ally in a region that is very unstable (I'm talking beyond Palestine/Israel).

I don't know what the right answer is. But between one side that wants to turn Palestine to glass and the other that wants to work towards a ceasefire, I'll go with the latter. I'd love it if the US froze all weapons sales too.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can express my total disgust with the people representing me, while still not wanting worse to happen.

The issue is that our military support of our colonies is emeshed with our political system to the point where de-escalation is impossible. This is not something which has been arrived at democratically and I don't have much confidence it can be solved in the existing "democratic" process.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I might be optimistic, but I think it's partly a generational issue and understanding of geopolitics. We need young new people to run for office now more than ever. I've been around forever (I'm 38) and I can see the old guard readying to step down. Kamala could be that bridge.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Part of the problem is running for office takes money, resources, etc. Young people are still more broke than ever and so it's left to the same shrinking minority of people who are able to meaningfully engage with getting elected as in the previous generation. I want to be hopeful, but if the 'new guard' has all the same material interests as the old guard, I don't think there's going to be a meaningful change left to their own devices.