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lol yeah I think you actually understand me pretty well. I have something called standards and when I started working, you had to actually work and work damn well, to keep your job. And I’m not talking about any job but certainly being in charge of maintaining and supporting information technology. And yes, I can say someone who works in IT who doesn’t know what DNS is, is a failure. Sorry if it hurts their feelings but maybe they’re not yet familiar with a concept called qualifications, credentials, experience, expertise, knowledge, skills… you know, silly old fashioned stuff like that.
I also am pretty aware lately that most of the time online I seem to be talking to younger and younger people. So there’s a sort of inequity there because I’m coming from the experience and point of view of a middle aged man and I’m talking to children - of course they won’t be able to relate.
But it’s the way of the internet. Believe me I’d love to interact more with only my intellectual peers but there are not nearly as many of us as there are kids who are just starting out. Shrug. What can you do. I still like to carry on conversation with exchange of ideas.
P.S. I don’t have a problem explaining things to a lay person; on the contrary I love to see a lay person interested and curious about something. That’s how I am about most things. But I don’t think lay person is an appropriate label for someone who is supposed to be an expert or at least works in the field and therefore should at least have a rudimentary understanding. That’s the whole point of qualifications for a position. You don’t tend to get hired when you’re clueless. Although I see that nowadays a little more and more and it is actually frightening.
You picked up the bitchiness of my post but not the entire subtext. My point is when using the same quote we’re able came to quite different conclusions. One assuming the IT guy did know but merely likened it to “magic” in order to not explain it to a lay person, for whatever reason. Another assuming they don’t know a key concept and are therefore a complete failure.
Like even a trainee? A student? A failure in what way. It just feels like a weird put down. Presumably everyone has to learn it at some point as they begin their IT career. So the idea that they’re a failure until then and that DNS is the bar, is a peculiar world lens in my view.
Feelings aren’t really the point, the unnecessary extremes like labelling people “complete failures” is closer to it. You can give objective and concise criticism, which is more than capable of “hurting feelings” by the way, and not seem to be intentionally abrasive in doing so. Like the second quote you can surely see especially after the ellipsis, it's condescending right? Unless you believe we live in an age of zero qualifications, credentials or knowledge. If so, you understand that apologising for hurting feelings prior is clearly performative and how that is perceived.
Also, I’m disappointed to inform you but all of that “old fashion” stuff is very much still the case. Hell weren’t there articles on lemmy about older generations agreeing that younger generation face an absolutely ridiculous job market? The “must have 5 years experience in a 2 year old language” memes? I don’t think it’s an age issue, generational maybe. I’m not middle age but I’m definitely not that young either. It unfortunate how often inter-generational shit flinging occurs.
No yeah I actually agree with what you’re saying. And no of course I don’t mean a trainee or student. I think I may not have been thinking of the same scenario as you. OP was very difficult to follow I don’t know if it was translated or something. I’m thrilled to hear that training on the job is finally happening.
And yes I’m all too familiar with the concept I remember there was a job posting that required several years experience in a technology that was brand new. A few of my colleagues and I would spam them with applications and phone calls informing them of just how stupid they were being with that requirement. Someone didn’t have a clue what they were asking for. Hiring managers amirite.
I really don’t disagree with you at all.
I thought it might have been how the original post was structured.
Now that is a feel good story everyone can enjoy lmao, too right.