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I didn't question the edits themselves, that happens all the time in media. But the first statements seem to been made by word released from hamas, and that's "facts" and numbers you cannot trust inherently by the fact that they're a terrorist organization. What I'm questioning is the entire meme format that seems to just been here to push an anti Israel agenda. I don't mind shitting on Israel for shit they do, but that does not mean I'm going to just eat up hamas propaganda. Memes like this are a huge part in foreign propaganda to discredit western news sources.
The numbers supplied by Hamas have been pretty accurate in the past, according to multiple UN investigations. There's simply no reason for them to exaggerate the numbers, since they are already atrocious enough.
BTW: back in December, the IDF itself released reports saying that about two thirds of the dead are civilians/not Hamas.
You can spin it like you want, what Israel is doing over there is not okay. Simple as that.
Even if true (citation needed, not that I'd trust the defunct UN anyway with China & Russia sitting on the table), that would still not give credibility to hamas or the narrative the meme tries to push.
You're moving goal posts.
lol, no. I'm literally iterating on the point I'm trying to make here. You're just proving my initial point of eating up hamas propaganda.
Nope.
You first doubted Hamas, when I mentioned, that the UN agreed generally, you say, the UN is also not a good source, without any proof of that.
The fact about the IDF was completely dropped by you, because it doesn't fit your bill.
BTW: do you have any Israeli sources? If Israel would doubt Hamas' numbers, they might issue their own reports. But they don't. Well that's weird, isn't it? But the IDF probably is also just an anti Israel agent.
So me replying to your point about the UN is somehow moving the goalpost? That would mean that you moved the goalpost. lol And Russia & China being on it is proof enough, it made the UN defunct since forever. But I guess hamas sympathizers would not see it that way since you're likely think positively of those countries too.
So, you think that the United Nations should not include two of the largest and most powerful nations in the world?
I think the UN should generally not include authoritarian states, yes.
So Israel shouldn't be in the UN then?
I love that you think this is some sort of gotcha, when I don't even support Israel. lol
You don't?
Then why do you claim United Nations is "Hamas propaganda"?
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:
Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute; Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i); Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i); Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i); Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity; Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h); Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).
You deny all that as "Hamas propaganda" and then say "I don't even support Israel". Honestly what are you, 9? You can't genuinely think these childish attempts of yours are in any way credible to anyone who isn't brain-damaged, can you?
I'm gonna report you for harassment now. I don't need you to spam on every one of my comments. I highly suggest you go outside and touch some grass, and then you can look for a therapist that looks at whatever causes this obsessive issues of yours.
What's funny is that i interpreted the changes shown in the meme as making it softer on Israel. First edit removes the reference to the school, second edit changes the number of people killed from a big number "over 100" to a fuzzy amount "scores" that is easier to underestimate.
It's since added that information back in, but in the meme it looks like it's trying to make Israel look as not-bad as possible.
Yes, that's the narrative goal of the meme and what I try to point out.