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They still killed one of the more moderate leaders of Hamas. I won’t weep for the guy but I just see this perpetuating the cycle of violence.
Moderate?
The guy who lead Hamas when they threw Fatah officials off buildings and shot into crowds of their supporters?
That under him Hamas charter included this very moderate part
He wasn't a moderate in any way, and it's bizarre to see people referring to him in this way.
It’s all relative. The guy still sucks, but he was still a part of the wing of Hamas that is looking to negotiate.
Edit: also the Hamas charter was revised to remove that in 2017 when he took power as the chair of the Hamas political bureau. I’ll ask you this, do you honestly think his death will change anything? That another person won’t just step in his place and continue killing Israelis? That’s my point, this is a cycle that will just perpetuate. There are no actors in this with clean hands.
All the negotiations were approved by Sinwar in Gaza, who's supposedly the most fanatic one.
His death weakens them, although it's certainly not enough. But he's also not the only one they got to.
Hamas is close to losing their grip on Gaza. It will benefit everyone if they become irrelevant.
I think what they mean is that as a leader, he does not really believe his own propaganda, so he can be pragmatic, but if you kill him, whoever succeeds him might be one of the guys who actually believed that fanatically. Or he really does believe that, given his history.
If one of the guys who ordered the Oct 7th escalation was the only hope for peace in Gaza...I'm not sure there is any point in negotiating with hamas. Isn't there any leader in Gaza outside hamas?
There have been atrocities for decades perpetuated by both Palestinians and Israelis. Some people that have done absolutely heinous things will need to be involved in the peace process for it to actually work considering those people are the ones perpetuating the cycle. Look at what happened with the Good Friday agreement in Northern Ireland and Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa (this one is far more one sided but still applicable).
The Good Friday agreement would not have been posible if Ireland was 20km away from London and smuggling in help from hostile actors.
The IRA was armed in part by Libya which was absolutely a hostile state in the UK’s eyes at the time. They almost killed Margaret Thatcher. They had many operatives in Great Britain, I don’t see how the Irish Sea significantly changes things considering there is a massive wall between Gaza and Israel that is easier to defend than thousands of miles of coastline.
I did not know that, but still, those weapons were not 20km away from London. This is not just fascists in Israel, even the moderates feel too threatened to oppose the fascist narrative.
They bombed London during the troubles quite often, actually.
I quoted the 20km distance as the distance between Palestine's borders and major capitals in Israel, but yes, there were lots of bombings in Israel, but I guess they controlled that with the border walls and a police state...again...Ireland is easier to let go as a colony, not right on top of you.
Even if things never got as bloody as Palestine, everyone should still cherish the reasonableness in the Good Friday agreement.
They haven’t let go of Ireland as a colony though.
I absolutely do cherish the GFA and I see how a bunch of stubborn, violent men had to get together and painstakingly iron out an imperfect peace to achieve it. I want the same for Israel and Palestine.