279
7 Green Groups That Didn't Back Biden Just Endorsed Harris as 'Our Only Choice'.
(www.commondreams.org)
this post was submitted on 31 Jul 2024
279 points (95.7% liked)
News
23284 readers
3965 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Alright, alright, Americans need to calm down with the "our only X" trope. Biden was "the only X" for the country and look at him now. There plenty of alternatives out there.
Edited to clarify meaning beyond the shadow of a doubt because Lemmings are the most special beings on this planet, Jesus H. Christ.
What are you talking about? These groups literally didn't back Biden.
You don't need to assume that I'm talking about some group. I'm saying that, in general, Americans need to get it out of their heads that there is only one savior like you see in the movies.
There is only one viable candidate running against Trump: the Democratic nominee. That was going to be Biden and now it's going to be Harris, but it's still only one person [at a time].
Sure, knock yourselves out with your self-fulfilling prophecies. Even after you were shown that you can absolutely change things around for the better, you still cling to those ideas.
It's a consequence of first-past-the-post voting, not a "prophecy." It will not change, ever until after the voting system does. Learn some goddamn game theory!
I'm not talking about literal prophecies, ffs. And yet here you are, perpetuating exactly what I'm criticizing. Change that chip, change that mindset. Change happens within you first.
How about you learn some manners first?
The bottom line is that a third-party has absolutely zero chance of winning the 2024 US Presidential election, and any assertion otherwise is at best utterly delusional, and at worst, a pro-fascist disinformation tactic.
The time for changing the system so it's possible for third-party candidates to win is not during the election, for fuck's sake!
You're resorting to tone arguments because you know you lost.
And yet I'm not talking about third party candidates or what the DNC is doing. You're going there because you think that's what I'm talking about because it's low-hanging fruit. You're literally having an entirely different conversation and strutting around like you won something because I'm telling you to stop being condescending.
And here is even more condescension. I don't need this type of shit. You either talk like an adult and have respect or we're not talking. But go ahead, take another victory lap because you want some easy win for an argument we're not having that you've set up for yourself in a parallel universe. Congrats. You're such a good debater holy shit.
There are only three possibilities for what you could be talking about:
You say you're taking about #3, which already isn't great due to the whole "being irrelevant" thing, but what's worse is that you're bringing it up as if it's a rebuttal to the "our only choice" people when the "our only choice" people are clearly talking about #1 or #2!
Thank you for changing gears, I really appreciate that. Now let me explain myself because you're still in debate mode.
Yes, my point is somewhat #3 in that I didn't present an actionable plan for change, but a meta criticism on the trends I see on the media that get repeated down in the comments. Even the same ridiculous language is borrowed from the news. From a foreigner's POV, you guys are obsessed with finding the chosen one to solve all your problems and you cling to that idea quite a bit. Maybe it's your rigid political system that causes this, maybe it's the Hollywood effect, or maybe it's a cultural thing with the news, idk. But it's jarring to hear you pigeonhole yourselves as if there's nothing to be done about anything. That reminds me so much of individuals I know who think voting is futile, but at the level of party politics.
So yeah, call it irrelevant for this election if you want, but I hope you mull over it for every election you have in the future. It's just weird* that this is the attitude that comes from the land of the grassroots movements, the home of those urging you to call your local reps for change, and the origin of the capable Karens forever asking to speak to the manager. It doesn't seem to register that bigger change can and does happen even after witnessing it live. Only now Kamala is the ultimate and irreplaceable savior because of an agreement among all of you. Fucking hell, what a political attitude. Imagine if falling in line wasn't the norm and the calls for Biden to step aside had been louder from the start.
* Thank you Kamala. But maybe it's not just the Republicans that are a tad bit strange.
It's because of the context that we're down to the wire* in an election in which we're fighting to even continue to have meaningful elections in the future. Inappropriately bringing up issues that distract from that smells like bad-faith propaganda even when it's not.
* By US "campaign for damn near a year" standards, not EU "declare and hold an election within days or weeks" standards
You're both right.
This guy?
?