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Trump Allies Sure Are Talking A Lot About Civil War (www.rollingstone.com)

submitted 3 months ago by auk to c/pleasantpolitics

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[–] millie@beehaw.org 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, because it's all they've got. They don't have decent policies to highlight and their latest round of attempted bullying has fallen flat. Biden old is all they had, and whining about Kamala being capable of laughter doesn't really have the same ring to it.

They know they're going to lose, so they're trying to intimidate people into getting their way.

You can't have a civil war with a few thousand crackpots, no matter how many of them wear eccentric hats. Worst case scenario you get a second Waco, not s second civil war. Ain't shit.

We've got this in the bag and they know it. They just don't want to admit that Teaparty v2 is coming to an end.

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My only criticism of what you said is that we can't be complacent. Progressive folks everywhere need to show up at the polls.

As a Canadian watching the US election cycle play out, I'm hoping Trudeau is taking notes. Trudeau is unelectable (for different reasons than Biden) so our mini-Trump (Pierre Poiliviere) is likely to win in the fall of 2025. I hope Trudeau steps down so anyone else can have a chance, even though I think Trudeau has been good for Canada (in particular with how carefully he threaded the needle with standing up to Trump during his presidency without antagonizing him.)

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is it Trudeau alone or does he have resistance making it hard to get things done? I've only tangentially followed Canadian news and that was earlier on, I've really fallen off.

I so, so hope people vote. We need civil servants back in office more than ever, so much damage was done in 2016 and with the recent rhetoric... I just can't imagine how it would be the better alternative, for anyone or anything but evil.

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trudeau has been blamed by both the left and the right for everything that hasn't gone well in Canada in the last decade. Here's a quote from our version of The Onion that's satire but also almost entirely how it's been expressed:

“While I don’t want to point fingers during this ongoing tragedy, this is all very likely Trudeau’s fault,” Smith continued. “Not because of his own support of the oil industry and its wonderful pipeline,” Smith hastily added, “but for not taking better care of Jasper National Park, a federal responsibility.”

“The UCP has spent most of the last five years cutting Alberta’s wildfire preparedness budget, and Trudeau’s government should’ve known that this kind of fire was going to grow out of control in this province because of our cuts and should’ve been better prepared for it.”

Trudeau has been able to do a lot but it's not progressive enough for the left, and the right isn't even trying to debate actual policy decisions. If Trudeau is the leader in the next federal election, then a QAnon-talking-point anti-trans bigot Conservative will win a majority government and implement a lot of Trump-lite policies in Canada.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago

and the right isn’t even trying to debate actual policy decisions.

Ah, that is pretty telling isn't it... In some cases you hope it's "well, push what you can" but the reality ends up being a net-loss of actual progressive policy in favor of a slow(er) shift towards intentionally harmful ones.

Thank you for your insights!