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[โ€“] shapesandstuff@feddit.org 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think generally the community-driven, communal decentralized open concept kind of clashes at least with far right & neo lib thinking.

[โ€“] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How its the ultimate embodiment of free speach the marketplace of ideals and competition. Id classify these as liberal ideas but ive notices a lot of the Americanised left wing doeant seem to agree with these anymore.

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Leftism refers to collective ownership of the Means of Production, Rightism refers to individual ownership. Reddit is Capitalist, Lemmy is the Leftist answer to it.

There is no "competition" on Lemmy because there's no profit and no production.

[โ€“] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.

And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.

You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.

It's an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.

Capitalism is not "competition," it is a specific mode of production. Competition exists outside Capitalism.

And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.

The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want. The underlying tools are accessible to anyone, the instances are not "production" nor do they exist for exchange.

You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.

There is no Capitalism on Lemmy, lmao.

It's an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.

No it isn't.

[โ€“] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want.

You really don't see the parallels between this statement and "anyone can become a millionaire"?

Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to "do what they want" with the source code. I'm not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I'm beholden to the structures that other people build.

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You really don't see the parallels between this statement and "anyone can become a millionaire"?

There's a chance you could stumble onto a point if Lemmy was profit-driven.

Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to "do what they want" with the source code. I'm not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I'm beholden to the structures that other people build.

You don't need to be in order to be able to download the source code. Skills are not ownership.

[โ€“] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sure I can downland a thing. But what can I DO with it?

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Whatever you want. You're drawing conclusions that do not follow.

[โ€“] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

You're being obtuse.

[โ€“] shapesandstuff@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago

(neo) liberalism isn't really a leftist ideology, not sure about american specifics.