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Well, :) lets hope they do it, trip (stumble) on a power trip on nsfw and a new max exodus will come here to grow the land of federated and etc. good shit. Ofcourse and on another leg, then we'll have an "ethernal september" here. But that's what internet crowd is.
And on a love or aknowldgement note for all the lemmy posters and mods, in old pirates harsh voice, a paraphrased song for you:
• You are my atention span, my only waste time • You make me vote when posts are gray • You’ll never know, shitheads, how much I read you • Please don’t take my features away
So dont take my features away ... or I'll kick you ;) Be a better reddit. Thanks.
I hear you (or to be exact, I see what you are writing :) ) about you thinking taking care about your readers. Thanks for the content if I have ever stumbled on yours and liked something. Don't know, can't check – there's no such user functionality as to see own or others list of the things user voted up.
Anyway from a stand point of the reader it is still the same old – poster is taking care about current or future engagements thing. There is no option to folow the poster here (on lemmy), so (excuse me my french) shit do I care whose post do I see, I only want to see floated up ones and beeing able to vote up/down for them to sort naturaly by that particular comunities or global likings. The only thing posters can do to realy care about users, that would be do not repeat themselves and not to spam. All other things will sort them out naturaly without a special care.
As for the posts you have pointed to as the discussion with readers posts – well, ... the first two are just "let them steam of" type of engagements, without a real vote by everyone. Decision about temporary measures were taken by mods only, they were hastly and single sided (posters snowflakes matter, all others ... ergh ... lets play for the posters). And I even understand that concern, no content – no readers comming. You have to take care about posters. But I didn't felt that readers were counted as comunity members at all, this time. It was more of self jerk circle, we post – we matter, you don't.
As for downvotes only for comunity members – I agree with you. That was my idea from the very start, that if global votes are somehow a problem for the posters and niche comunities, then the local (community limited) votes count is the solution. Hear me? (I mean you see me? :) – posters and comunities interest is taken in to account and readers interest in not taken out of the equation.
As for the freedom limits – If I have wanted another instagram, I have jumped on pixelfed. Lemmy is, or atleast began, as the better reddits alternative (a technologicaly better one) and, lets hope, users and content amount and quality of it all will overgrow them too.
// Thanks to mods and dev people for upgrades
Especially thanks for bringing back full functionality of up/down votes. Limiting it to comunities was the first thing I myself sugested, then someone reasoned for disabling, in one of the recent letting steam off posts. That is how votes should have worked from the very begining.
I'll note that this all fuss was avoidable, temporary solution was quite unnesessry and could have been avoided if not only posters (who are the louder beeings compared to readers) where taken into account. Thanks anyway, for atleast letting to get a steam out and not for bloking or removing posts and comments which where against.
For as the old saying goes ;) Take my features once, shame on you. Take my features twise, shame on me – if not starting to look where the grass is greener. Bare beliefts in ideology about federated and shit, will not cover ass log if things become crippled compared to alternatives.
Agree, that's a solid undeniable argument. Enshitification hit reddit hard, especially its public API's and consequently the third party aps.
From the readers standpoint – do anybody realy care if poster have checked votes he got on a post? Who of the readers care? That is only a posters problem or advantage that his post missed or hit readers likings. Him checking it or not is not taking care about readers, but taking care about his next posts popularity at most. As for mods discusions on readers convenience - maybe they are happening on some other verse, where readers (here on lemmynsfw) are not asked or taken into account by giving a vote. If I'm wrong, corect me by pointing to such public discusion with public votes.
On openess of mods, well ... ... by me, the lemmynsfw admins, contrary to your saying, did the oposite of trying something new. They tried the same old – lets limit users abilities, lets limit expression of opinions, lets remove downvotes. And the argument is as old as earth – we will make some of you "feel" more secure, let the snowflakes rule it all (at the cost of less freedom of opinions). History of encroaching enshitification is repeating, but now its here, perfectly federatedly distributed oh the irony one. I do not like the smell of that.
Hard to not agree on this solid argument. That is indead the most blocking feature to use reddit without browsing frustration.
Upd.: changed "have, is" to "had, was", as it is non issue anymore. Both downvotes and upvotes are working now for channel-community subscribers.
Orig. comment: Lemmynsfw had disabled downvotes on whole server, people can't sink down lesser content, they now can only vote up or ignore. Their argument was that votes are global and other (than channel subscribers) people can vote. From that point it was more like instagram flow, at most. Not a reddit like, readers votes moderated-sorted content.
// Thanks, that is a good point to remind.
I agree, reddit still has (and probably will always have) the risk of beeing thumblr'ized and face deNFSWcation by its owners to sell their shares better. This part of content and users could be cut any time off.
If you know some, I'd like more more of your input on other nsfw lemmy instances. List some, you know, which have most users and content or any you would suggest as alternative or addition to lemmynsfw. Thanks.
// Thanks for joining discussion.
Left because I didn't liked what reddit did to long established communities and their mods, during the "F**k Spez" event. Guess my main reason was their (reddits) intervention into the communities freedoms of how, when and with what tools do they allow users to browse, and after the fall down of lots of communities mods (when they tried to make communities private or nsfw). That is clear that growing communities or niche one's are small. That's not a matter if something else is given. But now the same alike shit happened on lemmynsfw, disabling default and common functionality. That made me think - ok, so then what's the diference, and content there is plentiful more on another side.
Freedom was the reason to stay. Definetly there should be other reasons too which others have. Interested in to hear or discus them.
It wouldn't. Why the hell can't I (or someone) randomly stumble on some post by choosing show me local (server) content feed or by choosing show me all, or simply by search and then vote up/down the post or comment even if I'm not right now in that particular comunity. E.g. if someone posts perfect or simply wrong misguiding bulshit reply, or then I find the post very usefull, or then comment is funny or on a contrary it's not. People are not living in a boxes of closely guarded comunities without exploring whats outside or new, without migrating, joining, leaving, fighting, agreeing, cheering, checking what ather users are into, etc..
And to add the second counter(s), technicaly is just as a simple as adding one aditional db field on posts table (or two if we keep ups and downs totals as separate fields now). And after, adding a simple if clause near the existing ones caunting global likes/dislikes, to increase a comunity counter too if this particular vote request comes from comunity member. Thats it. Then you can start expanding sorting options to enable more sorting options, but thats even not nesesary at first. Quite enough it would be simply to output vote count as a text at the top of post, near the global total - to be able to see what comunity members think and to be able to compare to what outsiders think.