crashfrog

Where was the car?

I am sure the dead are enjoying all of their human rights to the fullest.

You are, because they died for those rights. And it’s a good thing they did because they’d be ashamed of how little you think of their sacrifice.

You should be able to use reasonable force.

Any amount of force that stops an attacker is reasonable, by definition. The only one who should have a legal obligation of care for the welfare of the lawbreaker is the one breaking the law.

But if you just have someone who wants to be rude and yell in your face

But it depends what they’re yelling. If they’re yelling “I’m five seconds from killing you!” then you do have a right to use whatever force is available to you to stop them, and that might very well mean their death; there actually aren’t any safe, harmless, perfectly non-lethal means of disabling an agitated, adrenaline-fueled human being.

If that’s something that you don’t want to happen to you, then don’t go into public space and assault the people there. It’s actually pretty easy to avoid.

Human rights are more valuable than human life.

I can’t imagine how that fucking matters

Why should someone who is already breaking the law also enjoy the power of legal coercion to force you from a place you had the legal right to be, though?

“Well, we don’t want the situation to escalate. Someone could get hurt.” Why should the law protect only the welfare of criminals? Of the person actively breaking the law?

The issue with “Stand your Ground” laws is that the alternative is nonsensical if your view expands to include the rights and welfare of people who act consistent with the law.

https://www.fia.uk.com/static/2a999c49-760b-47e3-b02f96a2ca89ecd9/Guidance-Document-on-Li-Ion-Battery-Fires-12-20-v1.pdf

First fucking link