TheDankHold

You having that perspective shows how incomplete your understanding is.

And it’s also interesting how obtuse you’re being with the definition of a genocide.

In Gaza, the 2 million inhabitants are kept under a multi decade siege where they’ve been forced into complete economic collapse. They lock down the borders so 95% of those prisoners can’t get the tech to clean water so have to suffer with disease ridden sludge. The average Gazan lives on two slices of bread per day. When extremists are hiding there the IDF will destroy all of their civilian infrastructure to get them with no care for how this will ruin the prisoners quality of life further. 60% of Gazans are 18 and under. I’ll say that again, Gazans are majority children at this point because Israel has killed so many of their parents (the vast majority not being Hamas members)

In the West Bank right wing settlers go out with IDF soldiers to gun down Palestinians and remove them from their homes. This is the region without Hamas by the way. This has also been happening longer than Gaza has been under siege, as the occupation of Gaza only became a siege when Hamas grew into power (with massive help from extremist Zionists in the Israeli government).

Just because they aren’t gassing them and setting up firing lines doesn’t mean they aren’t being slowly eradicated. Unlike the Nazis, they need good global pr to keep the billions of foreign investment flowing so of course they’re playing the optics game.

Israel is literally destroying Palestinian culture with their colonization and ruthless destruction. The Israeli Likud party is on record with their desire for a one state solution and how they propped up Hamas to make that solution more viable than the two state solution that Rabin and Arafat almost had in place before Zionists assassinated the Israeli Rabin to get Netanyahu in power.

I haven’t moved goalposts, you’re refusing to acknowledge their existence. A slow genocide is still a genocide, it just hides behind plausible deniability that people like you eat up uncritically. Much like China with the Uighurs.

Because that’s the reporting you’ve looked at. If you’re talking about the journalists they’ve sniped and bombed then yeah those were very intentional. Aside from that they very clearly don’t mind huge collateral when they strike Palestinian homes so in that respect, yes it’s very clearly indiscriminate.

This line of argument is curious though. Do you think that if their war crimes were deliberately done instead of indiscriminately would that absolve them in your mind?

Because all you’re doing is dancing around this human rights atrocity with semantics.

I just explained to you how it was known as that for centuries. Both the philistines and canaanites (of which the Jewish kingdoms grew from) lived in the area as part of the population.

They lived there at the same time, Jews weren’t first. You’re arrogant and wrong, the worst combo.

And you’re still hung up on nation states, the fact that ottomans conquered and ruled the Palestinians/Philistines doesn’t mean those people haven’t lived there constantly for centuries. The idea of a nation state didn’t exist until the 18th century. It has no bearing on whether a population should have self determination.

You also forget that in WW1 the British promised the Palestinians the entire territory for their assistance. So if frame it as Palestinians opposed the Brit’s changing the deal to move a bunch of Europeans into the territory they were promised. The west threw their resources secured through global empire to force this colony on the locals. Framing it as not resisting western colonization is deceptive and obfuscates the motives leadership expressed.

How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint? Sounds like you don’t understand the situation in the West Bank, a location with negligible Hamas presence. Over 50 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli settlers and IDF agents sent to help them enforce their colonization.

Gunning down journalists isn’t the “sad reality of war”. It’s an intentional war crime that also helps them control the narrative so people like you will get tricked into thinking the IDF isn’t a barbaric organization that kills indiscriminately.

The region was called philistia since the 10th century bc. Why are we so focused on the modern nation state, a concept that didn’t really exist until the last couple hundred years?

That land has always been referred to by their population. Philistia, land of the philistines. Then the name morphed into Palestine. It’s always been Palestine.

I’m glad you’ve decided that your culture being kicked out of your homes is no big deal. I’m sure the trail of tears is more of a trail of inconveniences in your opinion.

Keep downplaying genocide you dense jackass.

there’s more to genocide than just killing people

With no right to return it’s still a genocide. Hamas doesn’t exist in the West Bank and Israel still steals their homes and guns them down.

You’re so painfully naive.

Which is what they said. Israel refused negotiations.

There it is. Genocide advocation.

For once a comment where you aren’t cheering the extermination of children you seem evil. At least directly.