Lafari

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[–] Lafari@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

I couldn't find any record of this, could you possibly provide some reference?

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

After researching your great word fuckerism (which I'm guessing you coined since I can't easily find mentions of it online), I found this: Sexual orientation discrimination (also known as sexualism) is discrimination based on a person's sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or pregnancy.. This isn't entirely clear and could be interpreted as relating to "sexualising", which means to make something sexual, and "homosexism" might be more specific to discrimination against homosexual people.

We also have a related concept of gender binarism (or in some uses, genderism (such as here, here) (though genderism can also apparently mean the opposite thing, to negatively describe gender-non-binarism(?), or what is referred to as "gender ideology" by people with "anti-gender" prejudice)) to describe specifically discrimination of "gender nonconfirming" (or non-binary-gendered) individuals (rather than transphobia or LGBTphobia for the same lexical confusion theoretically). Anti-genderism also makes sense as a term for this, I suppose. Anti-LGBTism ([Anti-LGBT rhetoric](Anti-LGBTism [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_rhetoric)) could also work as a term for discrimination against LGBT people in general (horrific paper).

I also found a term, HOCD, which can mean excessive fear of becoming or being homosexual, though it can also literally means a form of OCD relating to homosexuality, but it's the closest thing to "fear of homosexuality" ("FOHO"?) that I found, albeit a form that only applies to a fear around one's own possible homosexuality rather than a fear of homosexuality in general regardless of one's own sexuality.

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

"Autohomophobia – Hatred or fear of homosexuals, most often by members of the same community i.e. homosexuals."

Could have been but unfortunately I don't think it really fits based on that definition... I think it's like being homosexual and yet hating (or fearing) homosexuals. The type of person I described may or may not be homosexual (or closeted) themself, but is simply afraid of the concept, without the negative connotation of an implication of hatred.

However that reminds me that I was also wondering about what to call racism toward one's own race, since "internalized racism" seems to describe being racist to your own race as a result of discrimination that you've already experienced, almost like a Stockholm syndrome type thing where you begin to sympathise with your oppressor for a sense of safety or belonging (or something), but someone can certainly be racist toward their own race even if they've never experienced discrimination based on their race before and even if they're not generally a discriminated race.

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (15 children)

I appreciate what you're saying, certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people. But I think bigotry, meaning "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group", doesn't exactly fit the hypothetical I described of a person who's just afraid of the concept without harboring any hateful feelings or displaying any discriminatory behaviors toward it. Shouldn't we help that person come to terms with their fear and be understanding, while certainly helping them to tackle that fear (without accusing them of doing something wrong, presuming that they weren't hypothetically)?

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I see what you mean. I guess it's hard though because currently they can already say that (they aren't afraid of gay people and therefore aren't "homophobic" if interpeting the word literally, but they just hate them), whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead, which would then be viewed worse by society in a similar way to racism or misogyny etc. If a word existed for it, they would have no recourse but to admit that even if they aren't technically homophobic (though they are by the common understanding and usage of the word), they are still word that means hateful/discriminatory toward gay people. And if there's no distinction, I don't know what we can say to people who aren't hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality. What do they tell their therapist? "I have a fear of homosexuality and/or gay people but I don't hate it/them"? That's a mouthful and a simple word could suffice couldn't it?

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Then may I propose a neologism: "Homosexualism" or "Homosexism" (discrimination of homosexual people)? Or alternatively "FOHO" (fear of homosexuality)? It would be interesting if another word already existed though.

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

THIS!! Why didn't anyone else tell him? I'm glad you did. He might not die of fantasy now.

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm pretty sure their underlying reason was a fundamentalist conservative Christian ideology against homosexuality as well as against feminism, which they explained. They accused me of having no morality since I'm not religious, and said that without a religious authority to govern morality, it can't exist. Like you said, all the other arguments were just distractions to cover up their true motivations for being against things like LGBT rights, women's rights, and animal rights/veganism. I don't know how it relates to their vaccine and covid ideas though, that just seemed like conspiracy theory nonsense.

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The one thing they didn't demonstrate was racism, for what it's worth. I feel like racism is so uncool these days that even these types don't go there usually.

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I totally should have called out that hypocrisy. You're right, they are anti-vax and didn't care about spreading COVID, and yet they used whatever argument they could think of against homosexuality including "spreading disease". Why are those kinds of people so predictable? Like not to be offensive, but why are the kinds of people who are homophobic so often also anti-vax, anti-vegan, and misogynistic Christian conservatives? I didn't even mention it but people in the comments predicted it accurately. It really is a type of person.

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh they already made the "can't cause pregnancy" argument. It went something like this:

Them: "Gay people can't procreate and therefore they're causing the downfall of civilisation and therefore they're immoral." Me: "Not everyone needs to procreate, gay people are a minority and they wouldn't cause a decline in births on their own, plus we already have an overpopulation issue, and gay people can procreate in other ways like surrogacy/donation anyway. Gay people aren't harmful for being gay and certainly aren't immoral for simply being who they are which is fine." Them: "Cancer is a minority, does that make it ok or not harmful?" Me: "Cancer is harmful in any numbers, gay people aren't, and they aren't equatable to cancer." Them: "Gays are a cancer of humanity."

And they basically made the "not the intended purpose argument" as an appeal to nature fallacy in claiming gays people were immoral due to supposedly being unnatural. That just turned into a ridiculous semantical argument.

Them: "Gay people are unnatural and therefore immoral." Me: "That's an appeal to nature fallacy. Also, not only is something not automatically immoral (or moral) just because it's unnatural (or natural), but also homosexuality does exist in nature and is observable among other animals." Them: "Now look who made the appeal to nature fallacy. Hypocrite." Me: "I simply pointed out that claiming homosexuality is immoral because it's unnatural is not only illogical but also factually incorrect because it arguably is natural. Stating something is natural isn't an appeal to nature fallacy unless you make a normative or moral claim based on its natural status. The reason homosexuality is not immoral isn't because it's natural but because it's not harmful and is a basic right of individuals to embrace their sexuality." Them: "You said it's natural. Therefore you're making an appeal to nature fallacy. Now you also have to admit that the scientific method, scientific consensus about COVID-19 vaccines and evolution are an appeal to nature fallacy since science makes empirical observations about nature." (They also used Christianity to claim homosexuality is a sin, and were anti-vax) Me: "Again, making an appeal to nature fallacy and forming normative or moral judgments based on what's natural isn't the same as simply observing nature and drawing likely conclusions about how it functions objectively, as in the scientific method. One is prescriptive solely based on the fact of something being natural or unnatural and makes claims about what ought to be based on what is, the other is simply descriptive about nature and what is." Them: "Predictable that a gay shill can't understand words."

[–] Lafari@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You're on point. These homophobes are also anti-vaxxers and anti-vegans and misogynists. Ultra conservative.

 

Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.

Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet & Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.

Edit: It's not a nostalgia thing. The quality of the PS2 platformers was actually better. Even ones I discovered recently that exist on PS2 or that I hadn't played before. If I compare them side by side with modern 3D platformers, they look like s*** compared to the PS2 ones. And case in point, there are literally no open world 3rd person shooter-3D platformers with detailed worlds/graphics outside of PS2 (that I know of) and those are the kinds of 3D platformers I enjoy most... give me an example to prove me wrong. Ok technically I know of a few examples which meet some but not all of this criteria (only because I've looked far and wide for them) but they're very basic and nowhere near as intricate as these games.

 

An example would be a version of the trolley problem where you can either allow the track to remain on its current path which is empty, or divert it to harm an individual unnecessarily. This is a choice between a universally good outcome or a universally bad outcome.

Whereas the typical trolley problem is an ethical dilemma since both options are harmful and neither are ideal so it's choosing between 2 bad outcomes.

 

Please don't say neither (that's not an option)

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