Goldfishlaser
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True, I guess for my closing remarks and bringing it back to the OP, my ethical backing for veganism is partially consequentialist in both my direct actions (supporting exploitation) and indirect actions (not actually exploiting, but causing conditions that could be condusive to exploiting).
I come from the perspective of someone who felt tricked into years of animal exploitation by the welfarist position. I wasted hundreds if not thousands of dollars buying grassfed, free range, yada yada bullshit.
And in my view I should have just either kept that money or just went vegan. I don't think jt did anything good, I don't think it moved the world further at all. All it did was make me poorer and make me delay doing the right thing, the thing that does make a difference, which is going vegan.
Its not to say I wouldn't engage in dirty pragmatism when I'm arguing with others. I emulate my best friend who made the biggest impact on me. I'm ok using any means necessary to make carnists reduce their consumption of animal products, including praising "small steps" like Veganuary or meatless monday or something. But my friend never coddled my delusion of animal welfarism and I also draw the line there.
Would I vote on a bill that made battery cages illegal? Sure. Would I try to convince carnists to also do that? Sure. That's the extent of it. I'm not going to tell someone cage free is ok or better. Id just focus on how bad battery cages are.
I talk about my cycle so much that any men I'm with are going to learn eventually. I even make my guy friends hear about it.
I'm sure this varies with age, and some younger men may be more immature or resistant at first and I wouldn't consider it a huge red flag unless they were stubborn about it. But I would keep an eye out for other symptoms of toxic masculinity/misogyny at play and start a conversation.
But I'm in my 30s now and if a man is in their 30s and can't follow conversations about menstruation, that's a no-go for me. It would reveal a willful ignorance that I wouldn't be able to abide.
I do want to respond to your concern about offering animals refuge from the brutality of nature, and will as soon as I can find the time to type it up.
I'm just curious- how much footage / information have you seen about what actually goes down in the "cage free" egg industry? Why exactly do you see that as "better"?
To me, all that does is convince someone to buy more expensive eggs, when they could just not and save themselves the surcharge.
Ah very cool :) Yeah I've heard of the rainbow gathering, as there's a lot of crossover between our communities. It'd certainly be neat to check out some time.
Are you offering me fruit, itchy?
And so many people think eating chicken is healthy. Eating chicken is eating disease, filth, and suffering.