Clove oil is no longer used, medically, but eugenol is used in multiple dental medicines to have a proven pain relief effect.
Right. You are still claiming that eugenol is considered to be medicinal... Here is a database of all FDA medicines approved for human use. Why not show me a single medication that uses eugenol as an active ingredient?
It looks like you're contradicting yourself to me. You argue that clove oil is a medicine so my claim it should be considered one doesn't apply, then you come back and say the evidence that it is a medicine is poor, which is why it is not approved by the FDA... Which is exactly MY point.
The part of alvogyl derived from clove oil (and some other oils) is eugenol.
As a 'coincidence' eugenol is currently approved in the US as a 'flavouring substance'. From what I could find it has no official recognition for its medical properties. I expect dentists don't really care if one of the major ingredients of a medication they use is a 'flavouring substance'.
...what you call alternative medicine that is proven to work. We just call it medicine.
In fairness, that's only if there is an existing incentive to put forward the time and the funds for multiple controlled and peer-reviewed studies.
I think almost all alternative medicine is bollocks, but alternative medicine is drawn from historical records and/or anecdotal experience. This is flawed but is also how we obtained many of the medicines we use today. Controlled and peer-reviewed studies now allow them to be called 'medicine' instead of 'alternative medicine'.
I used to be completely against alternative medicine, but after a particularly awful toothache while my wisdom teeth were erupting, the established medicine salicylic acid (which itself originates from willow) was utterly ineffective, I tried the alternative medicine clove oil out of desperation. It is now the only alternative medicine I recommend. There have been studies showing it's effectiveness, but nothing particularly notable, and why would there be? Who would be able to patent it? It is already very cheap and readily available. I wonder how many other effective treatments are underutilised because there has been inadequate research.
That being said... I won't be drinking bleach any time soon, and as a major contributor to death globally there is a very strong incentive to research cancer treatments. Any alternative medicine claiming to treat cancer is highly dubious IMO.
Edit: In hindsight, it's a legitimate concern that some people may read my post and take it as an excuse not to take advantage of existing treatments. I only want to acknowledge that there is sometimes a market disincentive to research existing but unapproved treatments, I don't want people to think it's okay to kill their child.
I learnt my lesson from Starfield; the most expensive video game I ever purchased.... I pre-ordered that tripe and suffered the consequences. Never again.
I am so glad I learnt my lesson and decided to wait for the reviews for Dragon's Dogma 2. Pretty sad that this is the outcome, but I am glad that I decided to wait and see.
How disappointing... At one time Capcom was my all time favourite video game developer, I grew up playing the Breath of Fire series and it remains one of my all time favourite video games. Such a shame that they turned into such short-sighted idiots.
I was looking forward to this game and I would have 100% purchased this if it lacked micro-transactions and the Denuvo bloatware/malware. In their attempt to make more money, they at least received less money from me.
You argue my statement to be untrue then provide your unrealistic utopian vision of ~~cramming~~ high density urban living as if it has any reflection in our current reality. Developers are not building your utopia, they are doing everything they can to maximise their profit. I've lived in enough expensive high density shitty apartments with no air conditioning and no maintenance to take everything an 'anti-NIMBY' has to say with a shaker of salt.
Increasing density is not necessary to resolve the housing crisis. Halting and properly managing population increase is the solution. Governments not sabotaging public transport is the solution. Social housing as opposed to housing-for-profit is the solution.
Sure, but no one here said it was...
Whenever I hear the word 'NIMBY' thrown around I just think about how these people expect current and future generations to be worse off than their parents.
You want a garden? No, fuck you NIMBY. You want a pool? No, fuck you NIMBY. Solar panels? No, fuck you NIMBY. Now, get in your box and stay there. No complaints.
Housing supply is an issue and it's purely because of poor infrastructure, shitty government, and out-of-control migration.
That first link is just a research article and is not related to any government approvals/endorsements. If you disagree, then take a look at this one which is more recent and explicitly states, '...neither eugenol or other clove extracts have been approved for use in any medical condition in the United States."
It is still pretty much true, but the 'exempt' classification certainly complicates things. You could argue that medications that fall under the 'exempt' category are technically approved, but tbh it just looks like a loophole to me. Much like when such ingredients are declared as 'inactive' or 'excipient' ingredients. Regardless, I appreciate you taking in the time to put in the research when discussing this with me.