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Shots fired at Toronto Jewish girls school, police investigating (www.cbc.ca)

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Toronto police say they're looking for multiple suspects who allegedly shot at an elementary school in North York early Saturday morning.

"We're not going to ignore the obvious, you know, what occurred here and what the target of the shooting was," he said. "But at the same time, it will be wrong to just guess at this point."

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[–] tortillaPeanuts@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm struggling to wrap my head around this crime. Two people shoot five bullets at an elementary school before 5am on a Saturday, then leave with their getaway driver. This crime was discovered a few hours later by school staff reporting evidence of a shooting.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's the point of confusion?

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

What was the motivation? It's easy to say "antisemitism" but like if that was the case - why here instead of a synagogue? And why did they put in minimum effort, accomplish nothing, and quit? It doesn't make sense.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It was at night, pretty common method of intimidation. It also could've been an unrelated shooting on the street though. Dunno if more info was found.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Bold of you to think bigots are rational people.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

You never half-assed something?

Personally if I had a choice I would pick lazy terrorists over hardworking ones.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You assume the perpetrators were thinking humans. That's a wild assumption.

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

It's important to know that they are - you gotta know how people get here to know how to prevent it

[+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its a fairly standard school shooting. Most school shootings dont have a victim, just like this one.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How bad your memory is that you don't even remember when school starts lmao

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The school doesnt have to be open or have any students on campus to be consideeed a school shooting.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would wager that if you told most people there was a school shooting and if they asked you how many children died and you said, "none, the school was empty at the time," they'd say you were being a dick by making them upset because they thought someone had killed a bunch of kids.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well yes, but thats how they count school shootings, or at least in the US. You have to realize that most people counting school shootings are incentivized to inflate the numbers as much as possible. The number of students actually shot in school shootings is a magnitude lower than the number of school shootings.

Imo, number of students shot in school shootings is a much better metric than just school shootings by itself.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you show me where it says that is how a school shooting is counted in the U.S.?

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's no uniform definition, but groups with an agenda will count any discharge of a firearm on property owned by a school as a school shooting regardless of circumstances.

One notorious case was a person who committed suicide in the parking lot of a closed down school. It happened in the middle of the night and classes hadn't been held in that building for years. Advocacy groups still counted it.

NPR did a whole investigation into over reporting in 2018. Here's a link:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You said, and I quote:

The school doesnt have to be open or have any students on campus to be consideeed a school shooting.

This certainly implies that there is a uniform definition.

If you meant that certain specific groups with certain biases define a school shooting as any shooting that happens involving a school, including ones when the building is empty, you should have said it.

Also, from your article:

The Education Department, asked for comment on our reporting, noted that it relies on school districts to provide accurate information in the survey responses

So it sounds like "they," when you said, "Well yes, but thats how they count school shootings, or at least in the US." are the different many school districts in the country and they don't all count them the same way.

Basically, your claim seems to be some groups or other, which you have not named, define school shootings in a stupid way.

Very informative.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fuck me for trying to answer your question, I guess.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

My question was regarding your initial statement. You did answer it. Your answer is that by "The school doesnt have to be open or have any students on campus to be consideeed a school shooting," what you meant was, "according to certain unnamed groups with an agenda I have not stated, it counts as a school shooting when the building is empty."

So, again, thanks. Very informative about the unnamed groups with the unstated agenda.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 months ago

You ever think of switching to decaf?

Congratulations on being the first user I block on Lemmy.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He wasnt the same user, I am.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Okay, then can you show me where?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you tell me how many school shootings there have been in the US while schools were closed?

Im guessing the number is very low if not 0.

Not casualties is not the same as shooting at an empty building

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its not zero, I can tell you that much. And the definition used by federal government includes closed schools, also buses and any other school property regardless of status. Someone brandishes a gun at the school bus depot, thats a school shooting.

"a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims (including zero), time, day of the week, or reason."

https://www.chds.us/sssc/methods/

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have not been able to find an answer to the question you won't answer

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -4 points 5 months ago

Its only the gun grabbers spending resources to track school shootings. Nobody is telling you how many have zero causalities because no one is spending the resources to find out.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

This happened in Montreal too. Utterly despicable and outrageous in every way.