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[–] evlogii@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

The question was "Why do you not believe in universal healthcare?" not "Why don't you like the libertarian movement?" Jeez, guys.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Nothing impacts liberty more than sickness and death.

Or old and sick. Or old and dead. "It's better be young and healthy, than old and sick".

New quote in my quotational quotes quollection.

[–] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

I am libertarian-ish, but generally don't like all the loud libertarian nuts (I register Dem and vote Dem because the things I care about aren't represented anywhere on the ballot anymore).

For me, it comes to a very simple economics truism: Governments are pretty damn inefficient and tend to waste a lot of money because of the process and bureaucracy. Markets on the other hand, tend to be really efficient at allocating capital when left alone. The times a government should step in is when the market has created a form of externality that breaks things. The old economics example is the people downstream from a chemical plant are paying the price for the plant's pollution.

From a libertarian lens:

  • The government should negotiate SPH b.c. it's obvious that markets failed and we'd all be better off (spend less money) if everyone had healthcare.
  • The government should stay out of people's bedrooms and love lives, it has no business there.
  • The government should use UBI and then eliminate every other deduction, and tax break, and subsidy (Social Sec, . The office running UBI could be one guy sending checks out once a month (exaggerated obvi)

Unfortunately the things I'd like to see from a libertarian don't actually show up.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

I register Dem and vote Dem because the things I care about aren’t represented anywhere on the ballot anymore

First past the post doing first past the post things.

Governments are pretty damn inefficient and tend to waste a lot of money because of the process and bureaucracy.

The reason for this is, imo, because they are a monopoly. They have no incentive to reduce costs.

The old economics example is the people downstream from a chemical plant are paying the price for the plant’s pollution.

This is actually more of a Georgist philosophy than libertarian, imo.

The government should negotiate SPH b.c. it’s obvious that markets failed and we’d all be better off (spend less money) if everyone had healthcare.

Cooperatives could potentially be a solution.

The government should stay out of people’s bedrooms and love lives, it has no business there.

I agree.

The government should use UBI and then eliminate every other deduction, and tax break, and subsidy (Social Sec, . The office running UBI could be one guy sending checks out once a month (exaggerated obvi)

In principle, it sounds great, but I personally feel there are some potential economic issues that could get in the way of UBI being a success. An alternative to UBI could be a negative income tax, specifically that which was proposed by Milton and Rose Friedman.

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