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Nayib Bukele’s government has already locked up 2% of El Salvador’s adult population and built the largest prison in the Americas to house the 70,000 alleged gang members he has imprisoned.

Now the populist leader has cleared the way for mass trials of hundreds of people at a time as he steps up his year-long crackdown on the country’s gangs which critics say is eroding the rule of law and leading to many innocent people being wrongly jailed.

El Salvador’s congress passed a bill on Wednesday that could allow up to 900 people to be tried simultaneously if they come from the same region or are accused of belonging to the same criminal group.

The legislation also increases prison time for those found to be gang leaders from 45 years to 60.

A state of emergency declared in March 2022 means the right to trial is increasingly disregarded in the Central American country and the list of people held for months awaiting trial is growing quickly.

The latest blow could leave El Salvador’s justice system as little more than a facade, human rights groups said.

“All human beings deserve the opportunity to defend themselves in court. How can they do this effectively in group trials? How can lawyers and public defenders do their work this way?” said Carolina Jiménez Sandoval, president of the Washington Office on Latin America (Wola).

Bukele’s New Ideas party said the measure would help bring more order to the country as it seeks to stamp out its violent armed gangs. Congress approved the bill with 67 votes in favour and six against.

Bukele’s harsh approach to criminality has won the millennial leader the strongest approval ratings in Latin America and a cult following with politicians across the region who emulate his casual looks and hardline security policies to win over voters.

But critics say that the 42-year-old is sweeping aside democratic checks and balances.

More than 70,000 alleged gang members have been put behind bars in the last 16 months and the crackdown is increasingly indiscriminate.

A growing number of innocent foreign visitors are finding themselves in overcrowded Salvadorian jails after being rounded up by troops for having tattoos and being in poor neighbourhoods.

“These reports are becoming more common by the day from human rights organisations, people who have managed to leave jail and families denouncing arbitrary arrests,” said Ruth Elonaro López, a lawyer at Cristosal, a Salvadorian human rights group. “The problem is the state of emergency means there no longer needs to be evidence to detain or jail someone for long periods of time. People are being rounded up because they seem nervous, they have forgotten their documents or they are simply young.”

There appears to be no long-term plan for the one in 50 adults now imprisoned in dangerously overcrowded and unsanitary conditions.

The most notorious of El Salvador’s criminal organisations, the MS-13, grew inside Salvadorian prisons in the 1990s and 2000s after its founding members were deported there from the US.

More than 6,400 documented human rights abuses have been committed during Bukele’s state of emergency and 174 people have died in state custody, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights said earlier this month.

The plan for mass trials will only make prison conditions worse and add to the list of innocent people held behind bars, Jiménez Sandoval said.

“It seems El Salvador has turned the presumption of innocence principle upside down. With this arbitrary policy everybody is a suspect and a potential criminal.”

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[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

El Salvador’s congress passed a bill on Wednesday that could allow up to 900 people to be tried simultaneously if they come from the same region or are accused of belonging to the same criminal group.

A racist cop who doesn’t like your town can just round you up with 600 guilty people and jail half a goddamn village without anyone blinking. Good plan!

[–] Virkkunen@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It sure is a good plan when the country's population is tired of living in constant fear of being robbed, tortured, raped, killed because a gang wanted to have a giggle

[–] MisterMonster@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Sure, control an oppressive and evil gang with an oppressive and evil government. That should work out well. Populist leaders with the power to lock up anyone seldom abuse their powers /s

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This authoritarianism always leads the same way.

It's always a good plan until the authoritarian puts you in jail.

[–] maporita@unilem.org 5 points 1 year ago

It's easy to see why Bukele is so popular and I sympathize with Salvadorans who have suffered greatly. But we know from experience that this strategy doesn't work in the long run. You can't lock people away for ever, and the people who are going to jail now, including many who are innocent, will emerge one day as hardened criminals.

The only long term solution is rehabilitation.. but that requires patience and entails a lot more suffering in the meantime. There are no easy answers here.

[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is only going to compound the gang problem in the long run. An innocent sent to an El Salvadoran prison has no choice but to join a gang to survive. I can only see this leading to further social destabilization and human rights abuses.

It's also textbook fascism on a whole 'nother level. This is the kind of thing that can start a revolution.

[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's precisely zero chance this doesn't blow the fuck up in El Salvador's face in the long run. Not to mention it's horrific on every possible level.

Hope to god El Salvador manages to figure out a way to get rid of this guy, and fast. Otherwise they're in for a very bad few decades.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Horrific at every possible level? There is absolutely nothing positive or even neutral?

Using these kinds of absolute statements leads nowhere. They are obviously nonsense.

authorities have stated that they do not expect Cecot’s prisoners to ever be released

Innocence, joining a gang inside, survival don't matter. It's an extermination camp barely disguised.

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dictators are usually pretty good about solving crime.

It just comes with a lot of problems in the long run.

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The real criminals were the friends we made along the way.

[–] pablo@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The worse part about this is that he still has a lot of local support. I’ve seen some supporters acknowledging that there are innocent people imprisoned, but it’s a worth trade-off for the promise of “no crime”.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago

The homicide rate has dropped by about a factor of 10 under the dictator.

[–] macisr@unilem.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, but that article is manipulative as shit.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, from everything I've heard, the people are loving the effect Bukele is having on the country. Guy sounds like he'ssuccessfully dancing the razors edge of cracking down on gangs without destroying the lives of innocents.

While I generally disagree with authoritarian governments, it really looks like this is the template for what authoritarian regimes can actually accomplish with a benevolent leader in charge.

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mass, indiscriminate jailings and disappearings? You’re the type of dip shit that celebrated Peron and Fujimori. This is rank fascist behavior.

[–] Virkkunen@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Try talking to literally any El Salvadorian (?) for a minute and you'll see everyone supports this cracking down of gangs. The gangs left the country in a deplorable, ridiculously violent state, and now people can finally sleep with two eyes closed.

[–] MisterMonster@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, most Salvadorans support Bukele at the moment. However, several I've talked to in the US are hesitant to go back and visit relatives because their (non-gang) tattoos would make them targets for arrest.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the arresting people based on tattoos seems extreme af.

I'm curious how this whole ordeal is gonna be looked at in the next 5-10 years. I doubt there will be as positive of an outlook about it, but for the sake of El Salvadorans, I hope this mellows out in their favor.

[–] macisr@unilem.org 1 points 1 year ago

This, I am latin american from central america and what he did is something that we thought was impossible, and those mass dissapearings and shit is wayy overblown, and the reports, as it hapens in my country, are "witness accounts" from family members, or friends of the same gang members in its mayority. They would take any statement as real and add it to the numbers. I learned long ago that even some of the "human rights" communities are straight up corrupt with their agendas an connections with important people that want to mantain the status quo. Like almost everything in this part of the world.

[–] SynopticVision@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Sounds like something that might happen in Gotham