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[–] Drusas@kbin.run 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

First thought: Why does the government have to "ask"?

After reading the article:

From that report, he said it was concluded that some 440,000 adults may have suffered sex abuse in Spain by people linked to the church and that roughly half of those cases were committed by clergy.

Holy shit.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

This may be a novel idea, but why don't they compensate the victims of centuries of abuse by dissolving the church entirely and give all the proceeds to charity? eh? Oh wait, I forgot that the imaginary daddy in the sky might disapprove of me.

[–] WhatsThePoint@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s almost like it was a stupid idea to attempt to oppress a bunch of animals from expressing sexuality that’s built in their DNA. Who could have guessed that would result in fucked up consequences? Then, when you actively hide the deviant actions, who could have guessed the position would attract further deviants to it? Seriously, the church couldn’t have done things more devoid of reason if they tried.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

There’s also the historical issue where gay people were sent to the church to “hide” the fact that they were gay. Basically, if you were of marrying age and hadn’t taken a bride, people would begin to ask questions.

Sure, at first you can handwave it away. But eventually, your neighbors get suspicious. After all, this is a time when virtually everyone pairs off and gets married. If you aren’t married, it’s either because something is wrong with you, or you’re choosing not to take a bride. And in an age where being gay would turn you into an exile (at best) or just straight up get you killed, you definitely didn’t want the neighbors to get suspicious. There’s also the shame it may bring to your family if you’re outed as gay.

So instead, the church offers a nice shiny excuse for why you haven’t taken a bride. You’re joining the clergy, and becoming a man of God. No more questions asked about your lack of a wife. But this meant that the church was bursting at the seams with a bunch of sexually repressed gay people. They definitely couldn’t talk to each other about it, because (again) that’d get you stoned to death. So instead, you have a bunch of priests taking their frustrations out on the helpless altar boys under their care.

And when that altar boy eventually speaks out about the abuse, your higher ups have a vested interest in covering it up. Because they’re gay and sexually repressed too, and also likely abused (or were culpable in the abuse of) altar boys in the past. And so your higher ups will just continue stacking that house of cards higher and higher, to try and avoid any suspicion landing on themselves when the people they abused come forward.

This isn’t to play into the “gays=perverts” talking point that right wing media loves to parrot. But it is an important bit of context into why so many priests ended up being abusers. They were basically a bunch of horny gay guys who had constantly been told that their feelings were shameful and they should repent for them. So they buried those feelings until they festered, and then they ended up acting out on the nearest helpless victims they found.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

This isn’t to play into the “gays=perverts” talking point that right wing media loves to parrot.

I mean... it kind of is?

Gay men are not attracted to children, they are attracted to other men. Even if they're closeted.

Pedophiles are attracted to children.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So you think that if you put a bunch of gay men in an environment where they can't have sex then they'll turn to sexually abusing children?

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you missed the point of my last paragraph. It’s not about whether or not they’re gay. You sexually repress anyone hard enough, and they’ll start acting out in immoral ways. After all, if you’ve always been told that your natural feelings are immoral, then why not act immorally in other ways too? I’m sure there was also a lot of self-hatred too, in the same way that some of the loudest bigots are closeted. The kids weren’t abused because they were boys; They were abused because they were convenient targets who could be easily silenced.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but you prefaced that with a long story about why there were so many gay men as priests. If it had nothing to do with gay men, just people in general, why did you think it was relevant to say there were a ton of gay priests?

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because the gay men were part of the church specifically because they were gay, and were sexually repressed by the very same institution.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

The point is that it doesn't matter if they were gay. Straight priests were also sexually repressed by the church. It's the sexual repression that matters, not the sexual identity of the person. But you led up to your conclusion with a big story about gay people, which implies that gay people were somehow more inclined to acting out on repression than straight people.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Fucking good. Now do that in every other country in the world.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


MADRID (AP) — Spain on Tuesday approved a plan aimed at making reparation and economic compensation for victims of sex abuse committed by people connected to the Catholic Church.

The Minister of the Presidency and Justice, Félix Bolaños, said the plan was based on recommendations in a report by Spain’s Ombudsman last year.

From that report, he said it was concluded that some 440,000 adults may have suffered sex abuse in Spain by people linked to the church and that roughly half of those cases were committed by clergy.

But in a statement Tuesday, Spain’s Bishops Conference rejected the plan, saying it discriminated against victims outside of church circles.

The project will include free legal assistance for all victims of sexual abuse and it will reinforce the prevention supervision in schools.

Only a handful of countries have had government-initiated or parliamentary inquiries into clergy sex abuse, although some independent groups have carried out their own investigations.


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