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How are you all managing the varmints in your yard? I've lived in a lot of places in my life and it seems I've found quite the mole and vole hotbed also known as my yard. sighs

My dog is able to catch them, but not without digging up tunnels, grass, and making a mess. My neighbor inserts "worms" (poison) into the tunnels, but I don't do that because of our dog.

I wish I could lay a yellow brick road for them to follow to a happier place, but they don't seem to be the type to understand. I don't actually want to harm any critters and thus the inner turmoil of humankind vs nature. I really don't like this post and I'm the one who wrote it.

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[–] WHARRGARBL@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Our method of managing the rodent diggers on our property is to look at the big picture. We live among moles, deer, rabbits, hawks, eagles, roaming stoats, frogs, falcons, snakes, doves, wasps, sparrows, etc. They were here before we arrived, they’ll be here after we leave, and they live in natural balance.

If we spot a rattlesnake, we avoid that area for a few days. If a wasp gets in the house, we take it outside. Any spider lurking indoors who wasn’t nabbed by a bird or mouse gets a pass.

We “manage” by recognizing that we’re the intruders occupying their space for a brief time, and they’ll be here long after we’ve gone; we just get the privilege of watching them for awhile on their land, and it’s amazing.

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My inclination is to recommend building some housing for predators like hawks and owls if you're able and have the space. It's a nice way to address the varmint population while also meeting the need of being good for the local ecosystem, though it works slowly.

Ways we have accidentally concentrated our vole population include

  • Creating brush piles of wood chips and sticks

  • Growing nasturtiums

  • Growing Jerusalem artichokes (Helianthus tuberosus)

But doing a combination of all three intentionally seems to have drawn their attention from the majority of the yard that isn't gardens, and by giving open space between the vole magnet area and our gardens it increases the chances for one of their predators to keep their numbers in check.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Great ideas. Thank you!

[–] whelmer@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Poison is really a shitty way to handle this problem. It's not just bad for our dogs, it's bad for wild predators as well, and (speculating) probably not good for the soil microbiome either. Also it's a pretty nasty way to go for the rodents.

The proper way to deal with moles is using blackhole traps. They take advantage of the fact that moles will try to block any light entering their tunnel. The trap has a hole at the end, so when inserted into their tunnel, the moles will want to plug it to turn out the light, when they enter the open end of the tube it springs the trap.

It takes a bit of luck and a bit of skill, sometimes you have to reset the traps multiple times before getting the mole.

I also wouldn't recommend ultrasonic repellers because we don't know what effect that type of shit has on other creatures, either.

Voles are trickier, though also less problematic. I would say get a cat.

[–] DaSaw@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

Ultrasonic repellers don't even work on what they're designed to affect. I don't imagine they particularly like living near one, but we don't like living near railroad tracks, and yet do when we have no other choice.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't had luck with the current trap I've been using on active tunnels, moving, hoping, moving, crossing fingers, moving, etc. This suggested trap is a completely different style. Definitely going to look at it after work. Thanks!

[–] whelmer@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

We don't have moles but we get lots of gophers with them.

[–] DavidP@toast.ooo 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We get a lot of voles which enjoy eating our garden and saplings. I've decent success by:

  • garden: putting a wire mesh fence around it with 1/4" hardware cloth buried 4" underground
  • trees: plastic protective tubes around the trunks and also keeping the grass/weeds around then cut short. Voles like the protection of tall grass.
[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any issues/successes with mole tunneling around the yard? That's my biggest bane.

[–] DavidP@toast.ooo 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't have any moles! The voles must keep them at bay :-)

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For the same reason (dogs), I'm also against using any kind of poison to get rid of them.

I've had people recommend ultrasonic stakes that are supposed to repel them, but I haven't invested in any to try. Curious if anyone has any experience with them and would be willing to share.

[–] Seathru@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My dad had a bad mole problem. He started with traps, poison, and trying to smoke them out. But in the end the ultrasonic repellers seemed to work best.

My yard luckily(?) floods so much it keeps them away.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice. Thanks for sharing. The stakes I saw on Amazon had good reviews, but I don't always trust those given Amazon's history. I may buy a set and see if it improves the situation. Mowing the yard is going to be much more annoying, but less annoying than all the mole holes lol.

[–] Seathru@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mowing the yard is going to be much more annoying

They seemed to work better when moved around regularly. So pulling them up, mowing, and then sticking them back in different spots is probably a good idea.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 1 year ago

That's a good point!

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hmm. This might be worth trying. And moving them to mow could work. Thank you!

Assuming they are effective, my only concern then is how they might affect other creatures. I understand that it radiates into the ground, but I'm also worried about things above ground. I'm particularly concerned about birds if it can affect them at all. I wouldn't want to deter them.

[–] styx@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The title reminds me of mousetrap Monday youtube channel 😆

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Never seen the channel. Of course, after looking it up, the first video I saw was a paiute deadfall trap. I saw often on the show Alone. Not a lot of calories and those little guys, but when you're hungry you take all you can get.

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