there is a bot that corrects the links, maybe we should improve that
this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2023
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The rules for behavior are a straight carry over of Mastodon.World's rules. You can click the link but we've reposted them here in brief, as a guideline. We will continue to use the Mastodon.World rules as the master list. Over all, be nice to each other and remember this isn't a community built around debate. For the rules about formatting your posts, scroll down to number 2.
1. Follow the rules of Mastodon.world, which can be found here.
A. Provide an inclusive and supportive environment. This means if it isn't rulebreaking and we can't be supportive to them then we probably shouldn't engage.
B. No illegal content.
C. Use content warnings where appropriate. This means mark your submissions NSFW if need be.
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2. Include a community title and description in your post title. - A following example of this would be New Communities - A place to post new communities all over Lemmy for discovery and promotion.
3. Follow the formatting. - The formatting as included below is important for people getting universal links across Lemmy as easily as possible.
Formatting
Please include this following format in your post:
[link text](/c/community@instance.com)
This provides a link that should work across instances, but in some cases it won't
You should also include either:
or instance.com/c/community
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Yep, feel free to offer suggestion for improvement (or link to false positives, so I can fix that)!
One thing I've noticed is the bot seems to "correct" people who include both the Lemmy-friendly link and the actual URL in their post. I've seen this a few times, although it's possible the posters are editing the posts to add this in response to the bot. It'd be nice if the bot could check for this.
I'll fix that, thanks!
Thanks for your work on the bot!
Fyi your bot is apparently trying to "correct" people posting from Mastodon too. Seems like it's replying to every comment that comes through from Mastodon's side. Example: https://lemmy.world/post/1628806
Yes, I know about that and I think it's working as intended, only the message sucks. I already changed it today, but now that I'm looking at it again, it still sucks :/
Do you have any idea for a better message? There are two messages currently, one for Lemmy users and one for non-Lemmy users:
- Lemmy users message: Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this:
- Non-Lemmy users message: Hi there! The links in your text lead away from the user's instance, here are fixed links that stay on each user's instance:
Well to post to Lemmy from Mastodon, the Mastodon user has to tag the community. That tag displays as a link on the Lemmy side. The Mastodon user has no control over the format of said link, as it's a Mastodon user tag. So your bot shouldn't be trying to correct it at all in this case.
The user may tag multiple communities, I tried to not phrase as a correction but more like "here's a link for Lemmy users".
It's just not needed though, is the thing. These "links" aren't links that are posted for people to follow, they're just an artifact of having posted from Mastodon. As we get more interaction between the two platforms, your bot as currently written will reply to every single post and comment made from Mastodon, ever. It serves literally no purpose in this situation other than to clog up threads.
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything. If you absolutely won't be convinced that it's pointless replying to Mastodon tags, maybe you can at least consider limiting it to replying only on the main post? Otherwise, again, every single comment in the thread that is made from Mastodon is going to get the same bot response.
Replying to only the top-level post for Mastodon makes sense to me, thanks for the suggestion!
Edit: I temporarily disabled replies to Mastodon posts until I can think of a better solution.
Not sure if you're aware but this is still happening. In fact, looking at the bot's posts today is it possible you accidentally set it to only respond to Mastodon threads? 😅
Examples: https://lemm.ee/post/1456125, https://lemm.ee/post/1375340, https://lemm.ee/post/1441558
Yep, that's exactly what happened... Let's pretend that you didn't notice, shall we? 😆
Happens to the best of us 😄
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Yeah, banning them on instance level or defederating seems like the worst idea. Blocking them on individual / community level is the way to go.
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If you block it, it won't reply to you. If you ban it on instance level, it will be blocked on all federated instances on all communities. If you defederate, you will block real people on the instance the bot is on.
If you block it, it won’t reply to you. If you ban it on instance level, it will be blocked on all federated instances on all communities.
This is a good point. Yet I feel like there's a point where the annoyance overshadows the benefits. If there's an annoying bot on every single instance, is it still reasonable to snipe-ban individual bots? What if a server is mostly bots, yet have real users?
I think it's better not to accept bots at all.
If you defederate, you will block real people on the instance the bot is on.
This is true. But the argument feels a bit hollow when you plan on blocking Threads. If you are willing to block ten million users, why shouldn't others block your 40?
Yet I feel like there’s a point where the annoyance overshadows the benefits.
The bot is generally liked, it has much more upvotes than downvotes, so that sounds like a you problem.
I think it’s better not to accept bots at all.
That's your opinion. But clearly the creators of Lemmy itself think bots should be accepted, otherwise they wouldn't add a flag to mark user as a bot. And in your settings you can even disable seeing any bots, which sounds like the perfect solution for you.
But the argument feels a bit hollow when you plan on blocking Threads.
That's whataboutism. That's an entirely different issue than you disliking bots.
why shouldn’t others block your 40?
Because that's not how federation should work. Sure, block the instance all you want, but you're actively going against the spirit of Fediverse, especially when you have many other tools to solve it differently.
Oooh is the bot on gh?
Not yet, but it will be (I'm currently rewriting it, the next version will be there). Do you want me to let you know when it's there?
Sure! I'm mostly a python dev but if it's js or something I might be able to contribute on a small issue here or there
If people can’t be arsed enough to even get their post format correct (when it is clearly described in the post rules), they don’t deserve the free promotion.
To be fair the post rules don't explain how the ! syntax works. [!community@instan.ce](/c/community@instan.ce) btw.
That's also the only format that works across platforms.
Not sure if it works on kbin? !newcommunities
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !newcommunities@lemmy.world
Good bot
Ah, I guess it does. What about for kbin magazines? !Animemes
How do we format kbin magazine urls for Lemmy users to follow?
Gonna test this:
!Animemes
@Animemes
Animemes
Animemes
Animemes
/m/Animemes@kbin.social
/c/Animemes@kbin.social
Animemes <-- Finally found one that works from Lemmy! [Animemes](/c/animemes@kbin.social) (Wow this is actually the format listed in the sidebar, guess I should have started with that one)
Nope. :/
[!Animemes@kbin.social](/c/Animemes@kbin.social)
Works!
Not from my end, that's what I typed. Kbin and kglitch may be on different versions?
Either that or it's an innovation on kglitch's side. Kglitch also renamed magazines to communities so as to use the same terminology as lemmy and removed the reputation system.
To be fair, if you can't figure out how the syntax works based on the clear text, and usage everywhere else in Lemmy, you shouldn't be allowed to host a community.
I wish the post rules would also include what to do for kbin.
At the moment if I'm interested in a community I often have to write the url myself.
Also I don't know how to format kbin urls for lemmy users to follow.
Lemmy community for kbin: /search?q=newcommunities@lemmy.world
Technically the actual link is /m/newcommunities@lemmy.world, but if your kbin instance has no subscribers to that community yet, you have to first find it with the first link and subscribe to it, otherwise you get a 404.
At least on kglitch.social, using [!newcommunities@lemmy.world](/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world) seems to work like a combination of both: Searching for it when kglitch.social doesn't know about it yet, going to /m/community if kglitch.social does know about it.
Thanks, I mean I wish the formula was included in the rules so people making posts would include it so I could just click.
The part I don't know is how to post a kbin community for Lemmy users.
That's easy: /c/Animemes@kbin.social for the permanent link or [!Animemes@kbin.social](/c/Animemes@kbin.social) (the latter might only work if posted from kglitch)
Basically, the exact same as for a lemmy community for lemmy users.
Thanks!
Yay maybe now thanks to you I can promote my new community!
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