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[–] ValiantDust@feddit.de 50 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The Netherlands in 2100, when all the ice has melted:

(I'm sorry, my friends. You're welcome to come to Germany, if you promise to bring your superior bike infrastructure.)

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago

Knowing the Dutch, it's more likely that we'd see a Netherlands-shaped island in the ocean, next to where Germany used to be πŸ˜‹

[–] voodoocode@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago

Weed is legal now, bring your greenhouses too

[–] Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 2 points 8 months ago

Nah, there will be a enormous glass dome with a few super terps where Friesland used to be.

[–] Skua@kbin.social 32 points 8 months ago
[–] casmael@lemm.ee 18 points 8 months ago

β€œGod made the world but the Dutch made Holland”

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Normal people: the sea is nice.

Dutch people: it's free real estate!

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hardly free, these were very expensive projects both in financial terms as well as human cost.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 5 points 8 months ago

It's a meme, don't take it literally

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How safe is it?

Like, if war were suddenly to break out could 10% of the country be flooded with a few torpedoes?

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

Maybe... I'm sure it wouldn't be great if the big dykes got blown up, but barring any insane events like this one I feel very safe, they measure all this stuff very precisely, there is actually a separate government that only deals with water management.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

In 1573 the Spanish navy besieged the lakes and rivers around Haarlem, eventually routing the Dutch independence movement in a prolonged sea battle.

Today it's the location of Schilpol airport.

[–] _Gandalf_the_Black_@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago

A much more effective war against Neptune

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Did they conquer those areas from other kingdoms or were those previously flooded and they dammed them?

[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago

They defeated Poseidon and took what was once his.

[–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

Built dikes and pumped out the water.

[–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

The second. The Netherlands is like the worlds capital for land reclamation.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The sea level was higher in 1300, so it's a combination of a retreating sea and reclaiming land.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

See, that would be contrary to my expectation, because hotter Earth = higher sea level, at least until all ice is melted.

So, I looked it up and that also seems to be the case for the Netherlands. In fact, their land levels are even falling, too, because they lost a lot of peat over the centuries:

Source: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/04/23/land-subsidence-in-the-netherlands/
(Not the greatest source, but seems to match up with everything else I found.)

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Your expectation is correct, but perhaps your knowledge is lacking. Around the 13th century the earth was the hottest it has been until recently. It's called the Medieval Warm Age. Sea levels were higher and started retreating around 1300.

Edit: To add, this cites some sources. It's not a massive change in sea level obviously, something between 1 and 2 m.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Hmm, interesting. The graph I posted would be a bit too linear, wouldn't it.

But it's actually not the entire Earth that was affected by the MWP, but rather just the North Atlantic region (the Wikipedia article specifically says so).
I guess, some of the Northern polar caps melted, so maybe it did affect global sea levels anyways. Or it might have been something like the land heating up, causing stronger winds from sea to land and that just pushed more water towards the Netherlands. Honestly, I'm just spitballing at this point...