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The Trolley Dilemma, with Conservatives (lemmy.world)
submitted 8 months ago by Masterblaster420@lemmy.world to c/leftism@lemmy.world
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The conversation that seems so hard to have:

We are at a crossroads. One path leads to an eco-dystopia in which most of us become slaves to the 1%, vs. another path that leads to a futurist utopia in which we focus on solutions that benefit all of mankind and all the other lifeforms on the planet.

It seems like an easy choice except for that 43% of the american population that has been duped into fighting to make sure we end up in the dystopia because jesus and guns or whatever.

Is this not a simple trolley dilemma? When do we realize that we have to pull the switch? There's a way out of this that most of us don't seem to want to recognize. I've watched politics for over 30 years first person, and I don't see playing the simple democracy game getting us anywhere. I think we need to resort to more despicable measures. Does anyone agree?

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[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is certainly truth in that.

Writing off a human being is never fun, even if its a lunatic bunch like the MAGA crowd.

But here starts the issue: The moment a human breaks away from the boundaries of reality, the chances of rescuing them just become so slim, expending the energy is not really worth it anymore. Maybe you do that with a dear friend or family member, but not with large ammounts of people in this country.

Another problem: They actively dismiss things that are objectively killing humanity as a whole. Climate Change, increasing far-right, ecocide, late-stage capitalism.

If they were just a bunch of cult-followers that would be one thing, following a grifting half-dead corpse of an epstein-friend to his never to early grave. But they are not only an obstacle, but a clear and present danger to humanity itself.

It genuinly pains me to say this: We simply do not have the time anymore do be compassionate. We either throw them off the ship, stear clear of the iceberg and save the ones who want back on board, or we all go down together.

[–] Masterblaster420@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

thank you. every now and then it helps to hear someone else tell me i'm not crazy. how do we make the rest of america understand this?

[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would be in politics, if I had a working idea.

Maybe something like:

  • Educate the young into progressive ideas
  • Wait for the old guard to die off
  • Try save the planet in the meantime
  • Bring back class-struggles
  • Make abortion a big topic, because they loose on that
  • Mock and laugh at Republicans openly at every opportunity (They have no spine, but a big ego to hurt)
[–] Masterblaster420@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

i have some bad news for you. we've been doing that for 4 or 5 decades now. it isn't working.

the 60's was one of the biggest explosions of progressive ideas. it brought about a lot of change, but only after radicals started throwing monkey wrenches into the gears of society in the 70's. they've been saying "wait for the old guard to die off" since the 70's. they keep making new ones. we can't make any significant steps towards saving the planet as long as there's a voter base that keeps electing conservatives to office. bernie brought class struggles to the forefront. not much changed. abortion is a huge topic right now. we actually have gone backwards one that one. republicanns don't care if you laugh at them. they're making plans to exterminate you as we speak because they understand that we still live in a 'might-makes-right' world. when are the good guys gonna figure this one out?

[–] an0nym0us@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You seeem to be able to correctly identify the problem as conservatism but have a hard time understanding that Biden is basically Reagan in almost every way other than the fact that Biden is to the right of Reagan on immigration.

[–] Masterblaster420@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

so you propose that we elect trump instead?

[–] an0nym0us@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That ship has sailed.

Trump will be elected because Biden is just so laughably bad..and it appears as if he doesn’t mind probably because Democrats would honestly rather lose to Trump than piss of their billionaire oligarch owners by giving constituents even a breadcrumb. We have two parties working toward the same corporatism and a bunch of frothing tribalists preventing us from coming to grips with that fact.

Haven’t you noticed that saying , “but Trump” allows Democrats to do WHATEVER they want. Ever since Trump appeared on the scene, Democrats have happily stopped listening to their constituents.

I have a feeling that we’re actually on the same “side” but your brainwashing (coupled with trauma from constant online vote-shaming) prevents you from recognizing it.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

If they want to pretend they're the Taliban or the Vietcong, let them try and let them die like idiots in the process of finding out that those organizations were actual professional armed combatants with training that amounts to more than shooting up beer cans at 40 paces.

The Bundy Clan's exploits have proven multiple times, if these morons actually press the right buttons to be determined as anything but a bunch of loons who just need to be talked down from the ledge, they'll end up so many kinds of dead that Saint Peter is going to be handling stack overflow errors looking their rap sheets up at the perly gates.